[jkovach]

blue spinning circle:

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It really should be called a SBC (spinning blue circle), not a BSC. Has to do with the rules of proper order of adjectives.

 

[krkaufman]

I was able to use the 'ROLL-BACK' Function which no longer is in the MENU - DO NOT KNOW IF IT EVER WAS!

It wasn't.

 

[Davelnlr_]

Hmm, well since they have Premieres they HAVE to be on TE3 correct? Since a Premiere cannot run TE4? So they would not see the "Get New Experience" app since a Premiere cannot run it?

Your advice good for someone checking a Roamio or Bolt though.

Yea, I plugged in my Premier to get the software version, and noticed that it wouldnt even work with TE4. I had never paid attention, since it is my backup.

 

[foghorn2]

Ok , its been cleared, its coming weather we like it or not. Its just a key press to get rid of it.
I was not happy with the news here and the stalling of the ad with the BSC was troubling.

But if its seamless and requires another push on the remote to get rid of it, im fine with it.
If pressing a button again will make you leave Tivo, I wish you well.

If you are on TE3, why worry about it ?

 

[Davelnlr_]

If a TE3 Bolt Vox hardrive fails and I replace it then will it load Hydra? Hopefully if that ever happens I can still roll it back to TE3.

Believe the software is in PROM. It should load what was on it when you replaced the drive.

 

[exdishguy]

"Modernize"? That's an interesting way to use the word modernize.

It was a spelling error. He meant "monetize."

 

[tommage1]

I would be shocked if TiVo didn't force all boxes capable of running it to TE4 at some point in the future.

Maybe. However since a Premiere can only run TE3 maybe they will keep TE3 intact for Roamios and Bolts too? All bets off if they "EOL" S2/S3/S4 though.

 

[krkaufman]

TE3 still can not access another TE3 box if the other box is in Standby. A TE3 Mini can not access it host if that host is in Standby. I know, don't use Standby. But that bug has been around a long time.

Hear, hear. One would hope that maintenance mode would at least clean-up significant bugs like this.

 

[krkaufman]

I currently pay for Netflix, if they started putting ads for Ford or Chevy, or whatever, in front of each episode that I couldn't opt out of by paying a higher fee, I would cancel my subscription and never return.

I view this more like Roku and their Roku Channel app. It seems entirely reasonable for Roku to use advertising within their app to generate revenue, but Roku had better not start inserting an ad before each Netflix, Hulu, etc. program I play, or even at the launch of each app.

 

[TKnight206]

Sorry, "Maintenance mode" = "Bug fixes only".

Pre-roll ads are a "feature".

I still submit suggestions for TE3 through the site on how to improve. Are these ignored, or will they possibly add features in the future?

Some things I'd like to see, to name just a few...
1. An automated way to mark which channels I receive. Starting from channel 1, going up to a user-defined limit, would mark which ones are received and which ones aren't along with HD status. Three to five second delay between channeling up.
Then the user would have five choices in which channels are checked in the Channel List: HD only, SD only, HD Preferred, SD Preferred, and All.
SD Preferred: If there is an HD and SD channel, same timezone, then it would remove the HD channel and list SD. SD takes up less space, and space may matter to some. Or they have it hooked up to an old TV.
2. A way to mark favorite shows or PIN them to the top.
3. A mono setting for audio. Oh how I miss this. My legacy DVR from Comcast had so many audio options.
Anyone here watch South Park with headphones? The music is heavy on the right audio channel and it's immensely annoying.

Anyone, good luck. I imagine customer service is going to have an awful time regarding this pre-roll ad issue.

 

[exdishguy]

Well, at the risk of continuing to go off-topic, let me explain further. TiVo's consumer business model has not evolved much in the 20+ years we've been selling DVR's. I can go into more detail in another thread, but mechanisms like targeted advertising, content delivery and premium services are all going to be needed in order for us to help bring down the out-of-pocket costs for consumers over time.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most of us certainly hope that Tivo continues to develop premium solutions with features that trickle down into lower cost mass market models. And if you need ads to lower the cost of the mass market models, so be it. But I've paid $1k+ on average for each of my 5 Tivo's and honestly I'd pay it again if I could get newer hardware with less bloatware and adverts crap. I'm willing to pay for a premium offering and I suspect almost anybody on this forum that has been a Tivo customer fits this mold. It was what drove the growth of the company in the early days and has become the bane of public company these days as we no longer represent new subscribers and new revenue. So the direction Tivo needs to go in to make yourselves more mass-market appealing makes some sense. I just get disconnected on why there appears to be an abandonment of your higher-end premium customers. Product segmentation is still a valid method of offsetting product development costs, gaining knowledge/loyalty and voice-of-customer from your higher end customer base and then costing it down for the masses - to and including advertising subsidization.

So while I'm happy to hear that TE3 will remain pre-roll free it still irks me that the many higher-end customers that brought you all to the dance are now being treated as though we should "get over it" and shoving this new ad-based approach down our throat. Sorry but you guys aren't a $20 HDMI thumbstick - you sell very very expensive DVRs for a very very premium price. Throwing software intended for the masses on our niche high-end DVRs is outrageous to me. Sorry.

 

[krkaufman]

I've been talking about this all weekend and someone keeps trying to shut me up!

As if...

 

[krkaufman]

If TiVo ever starts to reevaluate those plans, please consider that there is no SKIP button on the remotes that shipped with many, many TE3 machines.

They all have the Advance button.

 

[TKnight206]

Well, at the risk of continuing to go off-topic, let me explain further. TiVo's consumer business model has not evolved much in the 20+ years we've been selling DVR's. I can go into more detail in another thread, but mechanisms like targeted advertising, content delivery and premium services are all going to be needed in order for us to help bring down the out-of-pocket costs for consumers over time.

I hope I don't regret saying this, but if lifetime subscriptions aren't generating enough revenue, stop offering them. Or increase the price. Or offer a three- or five-year plan (in addition to monthly and annual) for revenue purposes. But please realize why we buy the boxes. My cable provider DVR fees became too expensive. But I also don't like being inudated with ads, whether it's TiVo Central menu ads, Pause ads, Folder ads, Delete ads, or Discovery Bar ads.

Pre-roll ads only make sense when it comes to streaming content. It doesn't make sense whatsoever to add them before something we had recorded. It would be like a bookstore adding ad-based stickers at the beginning of books. Or even worse. (I won't mention the worse idea in a public forum.)

I mentioned this before, and I'll mention it again. Allow us to opt-out of any and all ads. Whether it's the sponsored content in Discovery Bar, Delete ads, Pause ads, etc. TiVo receives revenue for these ads. They have a value. Allow an individual customer to match the value by paying an optional monthly fee to get rid of them.

Edited to add: If you want to bring down the out-of-pocket costs for us consumers, how about letting us pay full cost as normal if we want? A two-tiered approach.

 

[krkaufman]

I think someone at CEDIA asked TiVo about this and was indicated it can't be rolled back (or that was their interpretation). Can't recall exactly.

@DigitalDawn, IIRC.

edit: Yep, this post: No TE3 for the Edge, and future loss of rollback for BOLTs:

I wonder if the Edge will be able to be rolled back to TE3?

I asked that and they said no. As a matter of fact, they said that an upcoming build (don't know when) would stop Bolts from downgrading to TE3.

 

[cwoody222]

I still submit suggestions for TE3 through the site on how to improve. Are these ignored, or will they possibly add features in the future?

They're not adding features to TE3 now or in the future. Full stop.

 

[shannon94188]

1) Enabling auto-skip when it became available generally leads the playback to auto-skip to the actual show beginning when playback of the recording is started. Will auto-skip automatically skip pre-roll ads in the same way?

One user's experience here: I've been getting these ads on my Bolt for the past week, and have auto-skip enabled and it does NOT auto-skip this pre-roll ad. Once I press to skip the ad, the program begins to play and then auto-skip kicks in to get me to the start of my show.

I called Saturday to get removed from these ads, and will report back when they're gone (or later this week nonetheless if they're still present).

 

[Pbarkey]

I haven't received any ads YET. However, my annual subscription is up in October. I'm wondering if they are waiting for me to re-up before zonking me.

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[krkaufman]

One user's experience here: I've been getting these ads on my Bolt for the past week, and have auto-skip enabled and it does NOT auto-skip this pre-roll ad. Once I press to skip the ad, the program begins to play and then auto-skip kicks in to get me to the start of my show.

Thanks for posting this feedback.

 

[krkaufman]

I haven't received any ads YET. However, my annual subscription is up in October. I'm wondering if they are waiting for me to re-up before zonking me.

Dunno. Could be you're not running TE4 on a BOLT, the only scenario, currently, where the ads have been seen.