What did you think?
I was hoping Uber would be John Kelly.
I was hoping Uber would be John Kelly.
Jack Ryan Season 2 (Amazon) *Spoilers*
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I am watching Episode 2 right now and Jack grabs Bastos' arm (the President's Security chief) on his way out of the Presidential palace. I must have missed where he injured his arm and Jack would know about it?
Edit: Nevermind - it was the dog bite. He was the guy who killed the police chief's family.
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I get the pros and cons of a Season Vs Episode thread when it comes to shows that release all the episodes at once.
But I enjoy discussing each episode as I go along, and can't do that in a seasonal thread since things are likely to be spoiled.
So I wait until I am done with the series and drop in, and yeah not really a lot of things discussed. I suspect it is for that exact reason.
And since it took me 10 days to get through the series, I've already forgotten things from the early episodes that I may have wanted to discuss. lol
So I'll just add that I enjoyed it for what it was, but it was not as good as Season 1 for me.
But I enjoy discussing each episode as I go along, and can't do that in a seasonal thread since things are likely to be spoiled.
So I wait until I am done with the series and drop in, and yeah not really a lot of things discussed. I suspect it is for that exact reason.
And since it took me 10 days to get through the series, I've already forgotten things from the early episodes that I may have wanted to discuss. lol
So I'll just add that I enjoyed it for what it was, but it was not as good as Season 1 for me.
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I liked it and thought it was very well done. My only objection was that the Harry character was really just a plot device to get Jack information that he needed. Even if you believe that he's going to sleep with a woman who essentially just batted her eyes at him, do you also believe that he would leave his passport and evidence photos laying about?
I love Wendell Pierce and I bet that real life CIA directors say words stronger than "Golly, gee willikers!".
I love Wendell Pierce and I bet that real life CIA directors say words stronger than "Golly, gee willikers!".
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I watched this over the last week or so and enjoyed it. Not as interesting as S1 but more your standard fair action/spy thriller, which I like.
As for short seasons, I am really starting to like them. It removes a lot of the unnecessary fluff and tells the story better (I'm talking about you Stumptown). I go back and forth on dropping the season at once and binging vs. weekly. On one hand, I can get through a whole season quick and if the story is compelling, then I can go right to the next episode without forgetting what happened previously. On the other hand, I have to wait in some cases more than a year until the next season, by which time I forget what happened and am "forced" to rewatch some or all of the previous season.
Back to shorter seasons, this is nothing new and not started by AP and Netflix. HBO and other premium TV channels have been doing this for at least 20 years. Maybe not 8 episodes, but certainly less than 15. The Sopranos for example were around 13 episodes per season and that started in the late 1990s.
As for short seasons, I am really starting to like them. It removes a lot of the unnecessary fluff and tells the story better (I'm talking about you Stumptown). I go back and forth on dropping the season at once and binging vs. weekly. On one hand, I can get through a whole season quick and if the story is compelling, then I can go right to the next episode without forgetting what happened previously. On the other hand, I have to wait in some cases more than a year until the next season, by which time I forget what happened and am "forced" to rewatch some or all of the previous season.
Back to shorter seasons, this is nothing new and not started by AP and Netflix. HBO and other premium TV channels have been doing this for at least 20 years. Maybe not 8 episodes, but certainly less than 15. The Sopranos for example were around 13 episodes per season and that started in the late 1990s.
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IMHO, its not a season if it doesn't have 20 episodes. 
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Bosch (Prime Video) is another example of tight storytelling and nicely fitting it into a 10-ep arc.
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I haven't looked at that one, but have heard good things. So much TV, so little time
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I don't know if you're serious or not but I find myself running out of patience with shows with more than 13 episodes.IMHO, its not a season if it doesn't have 20 episodes.
I'm about 6 episodes into s2 of Jack Ryan and enjoying it.
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Streamed shows as well as many shows on cable have adopted the 10-13 episode season format. It basically becomes more of a maxi-series than a full length season of 22-25 episodes we're used to seeing on network TV. I like it because it makes it much easier to create a more cohesive story that spans the entire 10-13 episodes rather than trying to stretch things out to a full season. The major downside is that I end up watching at least twice as many series and it's near impossible to keep the overall story lines straight in my head if it only airs once a year.
I've been binging on this show all weekend and I'm about to sit down to the last episode. What gets me is that Jack Ryan has always been more of a desk jockey than a field agent. They have him behaving more like a seasoned combatant than an analyst. I wish they had introduced John Clark from the books into the mix. He's the real badass of Clancy's books.
I've been binging on this show all weekend and I'm about to sit down to the last episode. What gets me is that Jack Ryan has always been more of a desk jockey than a field agent. They have him behaving more like a seasoned combatant than an analyst. I wish they had introduced John Clark from the books into the mix. He's the real badass of Clancy's books.
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Who wants to watch someone sitting behind a desk? I have only read one Tom Clancy book through (as most are really long and detailed and I admit I get bored easily with minutia) but the impression I got about Jack Ryan is exactly what you said. But, for TV, that would be boring so they made him more of a field agent. As I'm just a casual fan, I'm fine with that, but for someone who's really into the books, I could see where it might annoy you.
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I don't get the opportunity or have the time to sit down and read a lot of books, but a friend of mine at work loaned me a Clancy novel about 15 years ago and I read it. I'm a technical writer (or at least I was before I retired two years ago) so my profession was dealing with the minutia and explaining it to the layperson. I grew up in the Annapolis area so I was intrigued by Clancy's books because everything he described in his books I could see in my mind because I knew the area. My brother-in-law's band played at Clancy's daughter's wedding at their huge house on the Chesapeake Bay. They said he wasn't the friendliest of people to deal with, but I'm sure he was also dealing with the stress of getting everything organized for the wedding so he probably wasn't in the best of moods at the time.
When Hollywood converted his books to action movies it really pissed Clancy off, but that's Hollywood for you. Clancy's novels are so close to reality that it's chilling to think about it. They're pure fiction, but deeply rooted in factual information. I remember when he was called before congress to divulge his sources for the material he described in his books. Everything he talked about in his books was found on the internet. They thought he had some inside source in the military feeding him classified material. I can understand why most people would find his books boring because of the intricate details he puts into every scenario. I found them truly fascinating.
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I totally get where you're coming from. A navy geek or someone who's into military tech, probably loved his books. I'm not that person and when I started reading The Hunt for Red October and Clancy spent pages upon pages explaining the inner works of some system in a sub, it was really great for my insomnia. It was just too much for me. It could have been explained quicker and simpler, but he was so knowledgeable about that stuff, it might have been hard for him to explain it succinctly.
But as i said, if they wanted to make these books and their main protagonist was sitting behind a desk, that would be boring for most of us layman to watch, so they had to make him into more of a field agent. In the first season, you see that he was a desk jockey originally, and eventually become what he was in S2. So there's that. I guess you could argue that he was too GOOD a field agent. That I would agree with.
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Without Remorse (which barely has Jack Ryan) was Toms best book. I wish they’d made a movie of it. WR is about how John Kelly becomes John Clark (who is a CIA operative in most the JR novels. “Uber” started out a lot like John Clark - I was hoping he’d be him)
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I agree...on both counts. Longer than 13 eps leads to too much filler.
Your wish is being granted this year.
Taylor Sheridan (Sicario, Hell or High Water) adapted it and Michael B Jordan will play Clark.
Sheridan also wrote and directed the excellent Wind River. He's made some really good flicks so this could be a winner.
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