[Hussein Ahman Uttah]

Yes, they sure made it seem that way, in case I noticed that their whole amazing low-cost offer was no such thing. And might even be regarded as a downgrade from my present service.

But anyway, some pretty strong opinions have been expressed in this impartial thread!

 

[dianebrat]

But anyway, some pretty strong opinions have been expressed in this impartial thread!

Umm you ASKED for feedback, we gave it, the subject didn't say anything about impartiality

 

[Hussein Ahman Uttah]

. Wasn't it kinda assumed that no one on this forum/thread is being paid to express an opinion? Especially by Verizon, who ARE being paid for future changes!

 

[dianebrat]

. Wasn't it kinda assumed that no one on this forum/thread is being paid to express an opinion? Especially by Verizon, who ARE being paid for future changes!

Not being paid for my opinion never stopped me in the past

 

[MScottC]

Not sure if this is helpful or not. I am choosing to move from one Verizon location to another (affairs of the heart) Verizon will not give me cable card service in the new home. I spoke to multiple agents, and multiple tech support people, I've asked the question here. I've discussed moving my cable card, exchanging my cable card, sacrificing my firstborn son, ad nauseum. Nope, the area you are moving to does not support it. Oh well.

 

[WVZR1]

Not sure if this is helpful or not. I am choosing to move from one Verizon location to another (affairs of the heart) Verizon will not give me cable card service in the new home. I spoke to multiple agents, and multiple tech support people, I've asked the question here. I've discussed moving my cable card, exchanging my cable card, sacrificing my firstborn son, ad nauseum. Nope, the area you are moving to does not support it. Oh well.

But you haven't taken the issue up with the FCC - have you? I'd think you're familiar enough with the communications involved that it could be interesting. An interesting adventure for sure.

 

[CommunityMember]

Nope, the area you are moving to does not support it.

There are FiOS locations where Verizon cannot support CableCARDs due to deployment of newer technologies. There are also FiOS locations where Verizon can still support them for now (long term, they are going to be gone as Verizon upgrades their tech (likely over years, but Verizon has not shared their schedules)).

The easiest way to know if your new location may not be able to support CableCARDs due to the technology updates is to see if Verizon offers 2Gb/s (or greater) service in that location. If it does, they either have deployed, or are in the process of starting to deploy, the new technologies in that area and those newer technologies simply can not support CableCARDs as they do not have a linear QAM output. If it does not support 2Gb/s service, then Verizon is using older tech, that could technically support CableCARDs (at least for now).

If the new (to you) location has existing (older) FiOS service you might be eventually able to find someone to add TV service to the account and get a CableCARD (although that is not assured). In some cases it might be possible to request and have installed the older technologies (and still use a CableCARD), but Verizon may not be allowing that (from a company perspective it makes a lot of sense to not to allow adding to their legacy technical debt). And if you ordered 2Gb/s (or higher) HSI service, you insured you can't use your CableCARD as that requires the new tech.

 

[MScottC]

They offered me 2gig service.

 

[cwoody222]

They offered me 2gig service.

That indicates a market incompatible with CableCards.

 

[Hussein Ahman Uttah]

SO: Under the present technology, if I let Verizon install their multi-room DVR (and their new router to replace my perfectly good Linksys EA7500 in favour of something called a ,fios 300 mbps), can I use a Tivo box in addition to preserve flexibility*?

(though i cant see where 300MBPS is any faster than my present' linksys 1.9GBPS. Especially within the context of the 75/75 service they are giving me? Incidentally, what IS this "

Fios Internet Speed Upgrade @ $149" that they are waiving?)

And can we conjecture whether I will be able to use the Tivo boxes if and when Fios upgrades the system in my locality to their new technology?

Here is what they are doing to my account And there is quite a lot to be suspicious about, eg I seem to be losing my digital voice phone service bundle, - that I have set up to block all sorts of spam callers, - in favour of something called HOME SERVICE? And their rep said that I'll get the same channels under MORE TV as I did under FIOS ULTIMATE TV HD

AND the promise of no charge for all sorts of services doesn't seem to jive with their statement that the DVR WILL cost $20 a month??

​ ​ Remove Fios TV Ultimate HD​ ​ Remove Agreement Discount​ ​ New More Fios TV​ ​ Remove Fios Internet 75/75​ ​ Remove Agreement Incentive​ ​ Remove Speed Upgrade Discount​ ​ Remove Fios Internet Bundle Discount​ ​ New Fios 300 Mbps​ ​ New Home Phone​ ​ New No Country Selected 0 minutes​ ​ Remove Fios Digital Voice Bundle Discount​ ​ Remove Fios Digital Voice Unlimited​ ​ Remove Fios TV Broadcast Fee​ ​ Remove Regional Sports Network Fee​ ​ Remove Rent: Cable Card 2 @ $4.99​ ​ New Multi-Room DVR Enhanced Service​ ​ New DVR Service Discount​ ​ New 2 Fios TV Connections​ ​ New Fios TV Connection Discount​ ​ New Fios Internet Speed Upgrade @ $149​ ​ New Rent: Verizon Router​ ​

​

​ Please refer to the Important details section below for more information. Services ordered: Monthly amount More Fios TV $119.00 Fios 300 Mbps $59.99 Home Phone $30.00 –No Country Selected 0 minutes Multi-Room DVR Enhanced Service $20.00 DVR Service Discount -$12.00 2 Fios TV Connections $24.00 Fios TV Connection Discount -$12.00 Rent: Verizon Router Fee Waived Verizon Home Device Protect $25.00 Estimated monthly subtotal $253.99 Taxes (see detail) $6.58 Estimated monthly total^ $260.57

​ One time charges: Charge Fios Internet Speed Upgrade @ $149 Fee Waived

​ View an estimate of your bill View an estimate of your 02/28/25 bill here. Glossary and Terms at verizon.com/billingglossary * more importantly, does theirDVR actually give me anything that I dont get with my Bolt?

 

[cwoody222]

They’re removing your CableCards.

Your TiVos won’t work.

 

[SteveD]

...
And their rep said that I'll get the same channels under MORE TV as I did under FIOS ULTIMATE TV HD
...

This is not true at all, you will lose all the premium channels plus more that you currently get with Ultimate HD.

FiOS Channel Lineups

 

[Hussein Ahman Uttah]

A quick look at the channels (they don't dare show what is left of Ultimate) shows that I will lose all the Ultimate chAnnels I currently watch, up to and including the misnomer BBC AMERICA which hardly broadcasts anything new by way of BBC at all!

I knew by the incessant nattering (and how it speeded up every time I asked a difficult question) that she was imposing on me a disaster.

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[CommunityMember]

And can we conjecture whether I will be able to use the Tivo boxes if and when Fios upgrades the system in my locality to their new technology?

No conjectured needed. When (If?) Verizon upgrades your ONT to the new technology you will lose your ability to use CableCARDs (and if you wish to continue to use a TV service (FiOS or other) it will be delivered via IPTV).

However, Verizon has not yet announced any schedule to do such a migration on a large scale for existing customers, while localized (and even individual residence) updates will certainly occur over time (and quite likely at some point those updates will include equipment replacements for existing customers due to failures which will force use of the newer technologies).

As with most other questions about how long CableCARDs will still be viable, the answer is that the largest operators have not announced a termination date so no one has more than a wrong guess, but I don't think many really believe it will survive the end of the decade for any operator (no matter how hard some wish), with the average being less. As with much else, as their is nothing one can do about it, and there is no dates for changes, one should probably just continue to ride their CableCARD for as long as they can and as long as they wish and not worry about the eventual post-CableCARD future.

 

[DVR_Dave]

IMO, you should cancel the "upgrade" ASAP.

 

[Hussein Ahman Uttah]

Yes obviously. I'm still trying to see any conceivable reason to keep it. There appears to be none

 

[LittleWoodstock]

But you haven't taken the issue up with the FCC - have you? I'd think you're familiar enough with the communications involved that it could be interesting. An interesting adventure for sure.

Nothing to do with the FCC. GPON NG-PON2, the technology you have been upgraded to, does not support QAM. There is no signal for your Cable Card to work with. It's like trying to put gas in your Tesla and drive it. Not going to work.

SO: Under the present technology, if I let Verizon install their multi-room DVR (and their new router to replace my perfectly good Linksys EA7500 in favour of something called a ,fios 300 mbps), can I use a Tivo box in addition to preserve flexibility*?

If your service has not been upgraded to GPON NG-PON2 then your Cable Card will work. If it has, than it will not work.

IMO, you should cancel the "upgrade" ASAP.

If you refuse the ONT and equipment upgrade Verizon will terminate your account and that's the end of it.

Verizon has sunset Cable Cards. They are not going to go out of their way to turn them off, they will just lave them alone and let them chug along, but eventually they will upgrade your local network to GPON NG-PON2 and that's the end of your Cable Card. There is nothing you can do about it. When it will happen depends on your local market, hub, and service address.

 

[PL1]

GPON, the technology you have been upgraded to, does not support QAM.

Most current customers are on either BPON (very old) or GPON (current) and both support RF/QAM. The new 2Gig capable PON they are changing to is NG-PON2 and it does NOT support RF/QAM.

ETA: I have the Nokia G-211M-C with RF/QAM and I have CableCARDs for my TiVo.

 

[LittleWoodstock]

Most current customers are on either BPON (very old) or GPON (current) and both support RF/QAM. The new 2Gig capable PON they are changing to is NG-PON2 and it does NOT support RF/QAM.

ETA: I have the Nokia G-211M-C with RF/QAM and I have CableCARDs for my TiVo.

Noted, I will correct my terminology.