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Over the weekend, my kid lost several Nick channels in the 1700 HD range.
They are still available in SD on the lower channels. They are also still available in HD using the Xfinity stream app using the old channel numbers.
Is Xfinity dropping linear HD channels and moving them to X1 IP streaming channels? If so, the Tivo will be next to useless soon.
 

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Over the weekend, my kid lost several Nick channels in the 1700 HD range.
They are still available in SD on the lower channels. They are also still available in HD using the Xfinity stream app using the old channel numbers.
Is Xfinity dropping linear HD channels and moving them to X1 IP streaming channels? If so, the Tivo will be next to useless soon.
Not sure how many they have dropped but I definitely know there are new ones that have been added that are IP only like Fox Sports 2 and Hallmark Drama, I'm sure there are a lot more.
 

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Over the weekend, my kid lost several Nick channels in the 1700 HD range.
They are still available in SD on the lower channels.
First, you DO realize that NOT all of the channels in the 1000+ range, are in fact HD? Those particular channels you're speaking of, have ALWAYS (unfortunately) been in SD, & all those same channels are simply duplicate #'s, of those same ones in the 2-3 digit legacy range, as part of Xfinity's standardized MCLU that's been around for 5+ years: (note below how they explain how HD & SD channels are handled in this lineup!)
New Channel Lineup Frequently Asked Questions - Xfinity
How will you handle SD and HD channels in the channel lineup?
The 1000+ channels will mostly consist of HD channels. When there is not an HD channel available for a certain network, an SD channel will be broadcast.
They are also still available in HD using the Xfinity stream app using the old channel numbers.
They ARE actually there in HD, because Xfinity just recently added them in HD, but ONLY in IP/X1 only...hence why you ARE getting them on the stream (& Roku) platforms, as well as on all X1 boxes.

Unfortunately, when Xfinity adds these HD IP-only feeds, they are now (supposed to anyway) remove those duplicate 1000+ channel listing on all legacy TV boxes, including DTA's & cablecards - which obviously include Tivo's - presumably to avoid the confusion of having some boxes showing those 1000+ channels in SD & others in HD; this way, the ONLY people that actually can view those 1000+ IP-only feeds, ARE the ones with IP/X1 equipment. The issue happening now is...Comcast does seem to be doing this consistently on all their own boxes - but NOT on CC devices! Hence that Tivo's are now having channels appear in the 1000+ range, where it was previously SD-QAM, but now that that same ch# is now IP-only HD, & when you try to tune to them, you get nothing!
You still have the (SD) versions of all these channels on your Tivo's, but now you'll have to view them down on their legacy channel positions.

Is Xfinity dropping linear HD channels and moving them to X1 IP streaming channels? If so, the Tivo will be next to useless soon.
Been talked about here & other boards ad nausea; right now it's more that any newly added HD channels (& even some new SD channels, actually) are being added ONLY in IP/X1; this offers some info:
Comcast IP not QAM?
As far as dropping existing HD channels, again been discussed ad nausea, with lots of people offering lots of opinions...but at this point, there really isn't much that's been nailed down on Xfinity's immediate future...but it's been VERY obvious for some time, it's pretty much most/all an IPTV future.
 

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OK Thanks. Just curious why Tivo guide data would show a channel that is not there, no longer there. You would think they would just remove the channel from the lineup. When Xfinity added FS2, in IP only, the Tivo added the new channel which shows no available when I try to tune it.
 

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OK Thanks. Just curious why Tivo guide data would show a channel that is not there, no longer there. You would think they would just remove the channel from the lineup.
Because it's COMCAST'S job to actually let Tivo (Rovi) know their lineup(s) have changed - BOTH in channel adds AND deletions; how do you think Tivo's going to know otherwise? And frankly between these new IP-only channels & the fact that Comcast couldn't care less about CC users, it's not the least bit surprising there's errors in Tivo cable lineups across the country.
When Xfinity added FS2, in IP only, the Tivo added the new channel which shows no available when I try to tune it.
No, they did NOT add it in IP-only to the Tivo's; they changed the existing 1000+ channel (1329 actually) to NOW be IP-only...& because Comcast did NOT send the proper (channel removal) change to Rovi & it remains in the Tivo ch lineup, when you now tune to it, that's why you get N/A. (see my edit in my previous post above re: removal of IP-only 1000+ channels on legacy/Tivo equipment...)
 

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Because it's COMCAST'S job to actually let Tivo (Rovi) know their lineup(s) have changed - BOTH in channel adds AND deletions; how do you think Tivo's going to know otherwise? And frankly between these new IP-only channels & the fact that Comcast couldn't care less about CC users, it's not the least bit surprising there's errors in Tivo cable lineups across the country.

No, they did NOT add it in IP-only to the Tivo's; they changed the existing 1000+ channel (1329 actually) to NOW be IP-only...& because Comcast did NOT send the proper (channel removal) change to Rovi & it remains in the Tivo ch lineup, when you now tune to it, that's why you get N/A. (see my edit in my previous post above re: removal of IP-only 1000+ channels on legacy/Tivo equipment...)
Is it really Comcast's responsibility to send TiVo the channel lineup every time it changes? Who else are they supposed to notify?
 

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My two pennies. I'm going to assume there is somebody at the networks and the guide providers that handle changes in programming. Sometimes a network makes a change and then they should send a message to all the guide providers (Gracenote, CBS Interactive, and more) that something happened.

Example of a network change: MSNBC, Sunday & Saturday mornings, change their programming two months ago. TiVo fixed the guide in a week.

Example of an unknown problem. Weekdays at 1pm MSNBC has changed their programming. The guide is still wrong after two months.

Example of a TiVo change: MSNBC, on the second Saturday in the guide, has TBA all day for the last two months.

I have sent lineup change requests on all. But it's possible that the guide people at not "essential" and can't do changes from home. But the people who stop encryption on the bunch of channels can work from home. I get more "free" channels almost every day.

Since the use of toilet paper has increased 40% at home, all those butts have eyeballs looking for content.
 

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Comcast itself uses Gracenote on ALL it's settop boxes...so how do you think Rovi (ie: Tivo) is going to get this info???
I would think, since they are charging for the data, they would have someone compare their data to the other companies data? If they don't want to do this, they should just stop charging for guide data, and let customers subscribe to someone elses.
 

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We knew this was coming eventually. They've been preparing for this transition for years. Once Comcast drops QAM TiVos are going to drop in value significantly as the market is flooded with Comcast TiVo owners who can no longer use their devices. Maybe I'll be able to get a good deal on a Bolt for my Mom. She's still using a Premiere 4 tuner I gave her, but she's been complaining about how slow it is when trying to watch Netflix.
 

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I have a feeling given Rovi's incompetence that Tivos will just die when QAM goes away.
Sadly, I have to agree with this outlook.

If Comcast had any interest in making their IPTV platform available to TiVo I'm sure it would have already happened. But they'd much rather collect box rental fees from their customers.
I think that statement is a bit cynical in light of Comcast's current "Simple & Easy" fee structure that prices their rental STB's at just $5.00 p.m. regardless of the model--including the top-of-the-line 4K/HDR-capable Xi6. Add to that the fact that (1) CableCARD rental is free and (2) they have upped the Customer Owned Equipment (COE) credit to an identical $5.00, and I think the landscape is pretty even. They will even allow you to install and utilize their Xfinity Stream app on your own streaming device without charge (for now, at least) rather than having to rent one of their devices.

All in all, it seems to me that they are more interested in expanding the range of their video market penetration in this streaming age than they are in raking in rental fees.
 
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