thats not good...
Verizon FIOS moving to an IPTV model within 3 years
I caught this article at engadgethd.
Since some on you have Series 3 with FIOS, I thought I would post this.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/25/verizon-fios-moving-towards-iptv/
It jumps to here.
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=134347&site=telcotv&f_src=lightreading_gnews
rudiger
Since some on you have Series 3 with FIOS, I thought I would post this.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/25/verizon-fios-moving-towards-iptv/
It jumps to here.
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=134347&site=telcotv&f_src=lightreading_gnews
rudiger
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Well that sucks. Hopefully by then TiVo will work with SDV and I guess i would swicth back to Comcast for TV, or there will be some kind of solution for IPTV that uses TiVo software.
In the end, with several branches of video delivery technology developing, TiVo is going to have to come up with a way to control cable boxes in HD mode. They did it for years with SD, and I understand that HD is more complicated because of HDCP and the additional bandwidth required, but with the power of processors improving there has to be a point when it becomes feasible again.
The key for this to work will be and encoder and/or compressor that can handle HDMI or composite video input at better than real time. Once we get there it should be possible for TiVo to go back to an IR Blaster or serial link control for the cable box. With that, all of the headaches for CableCard, SDV, and (now) IPTV go away. Of course, this will throw you back to single tuner mode unless you have two converter boxes, but I can live with as an option if I can buy a HD TiVo and not have to worry about the cable company killing all my content with their next technology refresh.
The key for this to work will be and encoder and/or compressor that can handle HDMI or composite video input at better than real time. Once we get there it should be possible for TiVo to go back to an IR Blaster or serial link control for the cable box. With that, all of the headaches for CableCard, SDV, and (now) IPTV go away. Of course, this will throw you back to single tuner mode unless you have two converter boxes, but I can live with as an option if I can buy a HD TiVo and not have to worry about the cable company killing all my content with their next technology refresh.
I don't think TiVo WANTS to go back to talking to a STB via IR blaster.
'Cause consumers don't want that either. That was a huge drawback to TiVo in the past... "You mean I have to have ANOTHER box in my house?"
Plus, cable companies are going to stop making non-DVR STBs sooner or later so having a TiVo as an additional box next to a cable co DVR would be pointless.
'Cause consumers don't want that either. That was a huge drawback to TiVo in the past... "You mean I have to have ANOTHER box in my house?"
Plus, cable companies are going to stop making non-DVR STBs sooner or later so having a TiVo as an additional box next to a cable co DVR would be pointless.
Customers have a voice in this. Let Verizon know that you'd sooner give up FiOS than give up your TiVo.
Let TiVo know that it's important they find a way to support IPTV. I've seen talk of a hardware solution (USB dongle).
Anyone have valid US Mail addresses for the two companies that will go somewhere other than into a minimum wage Customer Service rep's hands? An address for corporate higher ups and decision makers?
Let TiVo know that it's important they find a way to support IPTV. I've seen talk of a hardware solution (USB dongle).
Anyone have valid US Mail addresses for the two companies that will go somewhere other than into a minimum wage Customer Service rep's hands? An address for corporate higher ups and decision makers?
And it would actually be TWO additional boxes if you wanted to record two shows at once. A three box stack (that probably wouldn't really stack) just to use Tivo?This is just not workable any more.cwoody222 said:I don't think TiVo WANTS to go back to talking to a STB via IR blaster.
'Cause consumers don't want that either. That was a huge drawback to TiVo in the past... "You mean I have to have ANOTHER box in my house?"
Plus, cable companies are going to stop making non-DVR STBs sooner or later so having a TiVo as an additional box next to a cable co DVR would be pointless.
Al
Any product announcement that is three years out is suspect. That is a LONG time. It means they are just at the beginning of thinking about it. Products are probably not even in development yet. It would be very surprising if this didn't slip out beyond the slated, even loosely slated, schedule. This is probably more about judging market reaction, a play to the stock market and sowing a little FUD about the competition. The FUD part seems to have worked well.
I like the idea of writing the respective companies. If anyone has a contact I'd like to know.
Al
I like the idea of writing the respective companies. If anyone has a contact I'd like to know.
Al
IPTV is the future and it is just a matter of time for everyone to be on some kind of IP-based system.knarf829 said:Customers have a voice in this. Let Verizon know that you'd sooner give up FiOS than give up your TiVo.
resisting it is futile.
this is where an inherently ip-based device, like TiVo, has an advantage. TiVo should have started this years ago.Let TiVo know that it's important they find a way to support IPTV. I've seen talk of a hardware solution (USB dongle).
if you haven't tried it, check out www.kylintv.com. the largest iptv based provider of tv programs.
that is the future of tv entertainment.
Except for the fact that I have signed up for a 3-year contract for both of my Tivo HD units I have absolutely no long term loyalty to Tivo. If Fios Cable hadn't been so cheap bundled with my Internet and home phone I would probably still be on Dish, especially since I liked their DVR (522) better.knarf829 said:Customers have a voice in this. Let Verizon know that you'd sooner give up FiOS than give up your TiVo.
I expect that the world will have advanced a lot in 3 years and I am willing to walk from the last part of my Tivo contract if I had to do so when my 2 year Fios Commitment (and price lock) is up.
Brad
AT&T's UVerse (or whatever it's called) uses IPTV. You can only get 1 HD channel at a time, and it is apparently quite blocky/compressed.qili said:IPTV is the future and it is just a matter of time for everyone to be on some kind of IP-based system.
Chinese operas and soap operas, yikes. No thanks.qili said:if you haven't tried it, check out www.kylintv.com. the largest iptv based provider of tv programs.
that is the future of tv entertainment.
The switch to IPTV isn't going to occur overnight. FiOS isn't going to simply 'flip a switch' three years from now causing your Tivo to stop working. It'll be a transition. They may launch IPTV service in three years, but there is no way the existing QAM service will end in three years.
FiOS intends to do IPTV using their next-generation MPEG-4 STBs. They do not plan to do any IPTV (aside from VOD) using the existing Motorola MPEG-2 STBs. The first of the new STBs will become available in late 2008 or early 2009.
FiOS has plans to do IPTV with GPON, not BPON. BPON only provides 20Mbps average per customer, while GPON can provide 75Mbps per customer. FiOS has begun upgrading some COs to support GPON, but all customers still have BPON ONTs (the box on the side of your home or in your basement) which must be replaced.
One would expect Verizon to start replacing STBs and ONTs in 1H 2009, but how long will it take to upgrade 2-3 million video customers? It's going to be a long process.
FiOS intends to do IPTV using their next-generation MPEG-4 STBs. They do not plan to do any IPTV (aside from VOD) using the existing Motorola MPEG-2 STBs. The first of the new STBs will become available in late 2008 or early 2009.
FiOS has plans to do IPTV with GPON, not BPON. BPON only provides 20Mbps average per customer, while GPON can provide 75Mbps per customer. FiOS has begun upgrading some COs to support GPON, but all customers still have BPON ONTs (the box on the side of your home or in your basement) which must be replaced.
One would expect Verizon to start replacing STBs and ONTs in 1H 2009, but how long will it take to upgrade 2-3 million video customers? It's going to be a long process.
agreed. it is likely that they will have to roll it out by regions, like they did with fios.bkdtv said:One would expect Verizon to start replacing STBs and ONTs in 1H 2009, but how long will it take to upgrade 2-3 million video customers? It's going to be a long process.
but that sure is the most bandwidth-efficient approach.
Just because someone did it poorly doesn't mean everyone has to do it poorly.TexasAg said:AT&T's UVerse (or whatever it's called) uses IPTV. You can only get 1 HD channel at a time, and it is apparently quite blocky/compressed.
you missed the point. kylin is heavily courted now by VCs because of their technological expertise and lessons learned in the roll-out of their services. This of those guys as TiVo in 1999, only with the next gen technology.Chinese operas and soap operas, yikes. No thanks.
With the same infrastructure, you can stuff any of the networks and you will be able to watch them anywhere in the world your favorite shows anytime.
or your DVDs.
or listen to your CDs, or audio books, or magazines.
It is very promising.
I think the USB dongle you're thinking of is for SDV which is not the same as IPTV. In theory, at least, the S3 and THD already have all the hardware necessary for IPTV, it would just be a case of writing the software, assuming that verizon were willing to share the specs.knarf829 said:Let TiVo know that it's important they find a way to support IPTV. I've seen talk of a hardware solution (USB dongle).
2-3 million customers?!bkdtv said:One would expect Verizon to start replacing STBs and ONTs in 1H 2009, but how long will it take to upgrade 2-3 million video customers? It's going to be a long process.
I just read earlier this week that it's more like half-a-million, nationwide right now with TV, just over a million with Internet.
http://www.buffalonews.com/businesstoday/localbusiness/story/167530.html
Or are you extrapolating to 2009?
Yes, I am extrapolating. Verizon said it had 515,000 TV customers at the end of June, and was averaging 2,600 FiOS TV customer additions per day. Assuming that hasn't changed, they have about 744,000 as of today, or about 1,000,000 by the end of the 2007, and another million by the end of 2008.cwoody222 said:2-3 million customers?!
I just read earlier this week that it's more like half-a-million, nationwide right now with TV, just over a million with Internet.
http://www.buffalonews.com/businesstoday/localbusiness/story/167530.html
Or are you extrapolating to 2009?
This wouldn't be a significant problem if firewire from cable boxes was actually reliable and could pass two tuners worth of MPEG data. (The bandwidth is there, but the software is not)
I wouldn't mind too much having one cable box connected to the TiVo using firewire, if it was dual tuner (or more!) capable.
Of course, the FCC would have to get off their duff and require firewire of all multichannel video providers, not just the ones who can currently screw us with SDV. If they did that, we could have one TiVo that would work with cable, satellite, IPTV, or anything else under the sun that has channel numbers.
It wouldn't be too nice for those of us in areas where the cable company doesn't even have HD boxes that aren't DVRs, though.
I wouldn't mind too much having one cable box connected to the TiVo using firewire, if it was dual tuner (or more!) capable.
Of course, the FCC would have to get off their duff and require firewire of all multichannel video providers, not just the ones who can currently screw us with SDV. If they did that, we could have one TiVo that would work with cable, satellite, IPTV, or anything else under the sun that has channel numbers.
It wouldn't be too nice for those of us in areas where the cable company doesn't even have HD boxes that aren't DVRs, though.
Did you read the article? I'm not sure what your definition of "an all-IPTV platform within three years" is, but mine is "an all-IPTV platform within three years."bkdtv said:The switch to IPTV isn't going to occur overnight. FiOS isn't going to simply 'flip a switch' three years from now causing your Tivo to stop working. It'll be a transition. They may launch IPTV service in three years, but there is no way the existing QAM service will end in three years.
agreed.. it's that essentially what were doing to MRV(when available) and tivo cast, etc.petew said:I think the USB dongle you're thinking of is for SDV which is not the same as IPTV. In theory, at least, the S3 and THD already have all the hardware necessary for IPTV, it would just be a case of writing the software, assuming that verizon were willing to share the specs.
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