I think you mean "downgrading". The Premier is not an upgrade, especially for someone in your situation.Thinking of upgrading my Tivo HD
Yes, but not with an un-modified TiVo. It would have to be modified. Once done correctly, it can transfer to a PC. It cannot transfer directly to a Premier.with 1tb WD drive, but I am leary a lot of my movies will not transfer with the Red No Smoking sign, saying copy write protected.
Any other ways to get them to another Tivo or to my PC through anything other than Tivo Desktop?
It's more than just that, although the programs are indeed encrypted. They also reside on a file system your PC cannot read (or write).The media is encrypted where I cant plug the 1tb drive into a computer and drag and drop correct?
Yeah I am on the fence about upgrading...I think you mean "downgrading". The Premier is not an upgrade, especially for someone in your situation.
The Premier has considerably faster networking capabilities than an unmodified Series III, particularly a THD, but other than that there are very few significant features available on the Premier that are not available on the Series III class machines. The main issue, however, is copy protection cannot be circumvented on the Premier, nor can any other of a host of fairly important features, depending upon one's desires and considrations, be implemented on the Premier. They can be on a modified S3 or THD. This includes the ability to transfer material that would otherwise be copy protected, like the videos on your THD.Yeah I am on the fence about upgrading...
Why specifically is Premier a downgrade from my Series 3 HD with Lifetime?
Faster transfer time between 2 premieres, the HDUI that is functionally slower then a series 3 or THD SDUI, the SDUI of the Premiere is very fast.You say the Premiere is a Downgrade from the Series 3 Tivo HD, how is that specifically?
what are some advantages and disadvantages of the new Premier box compared to my S3 Tivo HD?
Thanks,
Shane
It's not. Please ignore him. The Premiere is superior in every way, except that it's even more resistant to modification. That's the entirety of lrhorer's objection. For those (like you) who have no intention of hacking it, that's irrelevant.Why specifically is Premier a downgrade from my Series 3 HD with Lifetime?
That's the point, on a modified Tivo you can disable the encryption and have no red smoking sign so wouldn't be in this situation...I'm not interested in moding my Tivo any and understand it won't transfer copy written media over any better, <snip>
Thanks,
Shane
In a larger sense, the Premier is superior in no way whatsoever. It is slower at networking than a hacked S3, and it offers nothing of value that is not locked down by DRM or other unacceptably restrictive copyright.It's not. Please ignore him. The Premiere is superior in every way
That is an assumption, and a bad one.except that it's even more resistant to modification. That's the entirety of lrhorer's objection. For those (like you) who have no intention of hacking it
No, it definitely is not. The fact one purchases a platform that has unacceptable features means one implicitly supports those features and encourages their proliferation. The fact one person has no use for services does not make it acceptable for that person to force restrictions on others that prevent their using those services, whether implicitly or explicitly.that's irrelevant.
And you don't see that as relevant?!?!? A lack of options is just unacceptable. We fought a couple of wars over that ideal.You don't have a lot of options, though.
That's your choice, but by making that choice you eliminate several of the more important features available on the TiVo.I'm not interested in moding my Tivo any
(I think you mean copy protected, not copyrighted.) You understand wrong. Although there are a very large number of features available to a hacked TiVo not available to an unmodified one, for many users the very most important (in some cases the only) additional feature is the ability to disable or circumvent the CCI byte.and understand it won't transfer copy written media over any better
Technically, the "no smoking" sign has nothing to do with a program's being encrypted. On an unmodified TiVo, recordings with CCI=0x00 are still encrypted. Functionally, this means transferring such recordings can be done with the embedded TTG and MRV utilities, which are very slow. If the recordings are unencrypted, then they can be transferred with 3rd party applications irrespective of the CCI byte value. In short, on a modified TiVo, if CCI=0x00, but the program is encrypted then the program can still be transferred using TTG or MRV, but not other utilities (well, it can be transferred, but one can't do much with it). If the value of the CCI byte is other than zero, but the program is unencrypted, then it cannot be transferred using TTG or MRV, but it can be transferred via other utilities and then read or edited to suit the user's requirements.That's the point, on a modified Tivo you can disable the encryption and have no red smoking sign so wouldn't be in this situation...
It's not an assumption; he explicitly stated it.That is an assumption, and a bad one.
My own software makes no use of hacked features at all. I have a Premiere. It is not a door stop.The simple fact is, if I were to purchase a Premier, it would be a door stop. All, and I mean ALL of the most important features would be missing. Your own software, BTW, which is excellent, would be completely worthless.
And then immediately made additional inquiries offline. The entire difference was his own misapprehension that modifying the system would not meet his needs. He may in the end elect not to modify his TiVo, but this fact does not make your assumption warranted, even if he had not qualified his statement (which fact you ignored).It's not an assumption; he explicitly stated it.
I have no desire to be sensible of such irrelevancies. This is not a private conversation, it it is a public forum. For every one active participant who has no interest in a specific aspect of a topic there are ten lurkers who do. Responses that only consider the active participants are not only unnecessarily limited and lacking in relevance by comparison, they are in fact arrogant and self centered.You have no sense of the appropriate audience for your rants.
That is because you are fortunate enough to have a provider who does not copy protect everything they legally can. Although such providers currently serve a slender majority of users, that percentage is dwindling daily. If the trend continues, you will be part of a very small minority, and eventually may be forced to join the other camp. In this case, it is highly likely your tune will change considerably - which means it was never a valid tune from the outset. Certainly in this case it does not apply to the OP. If it is or ever will be his intent to make use of MRV or TTG or similar applications, then the Premier is not an option. It is not an acceptable option in any case, the fact your own personal requirements just happen to be met at the moment notwithstanding.My own software makes no use of hacked features at all. I have a Premiere. It is not a door stop.
No, actually it's not because of that, although I am fortunate in that regard. The main function of pyTivo is transferring videos from the computer to the TiVo. If there were no recordings that I could pull from the TiVo to the computer -- none at all, zero -- that would affect that function hardly at all. There are a great many sources of video in the world other than TiVos. Most videos that I send to my TiVo did not originate there, nor on other TiVos.That is because you are fortunate enough to have a provider who does not copy protect everything they legally can. ... To most intents and purposes, pyTiVo is only useful if there is no copy protection in place.
You could set up wish list searches on your premiere to record the copy protected movies when they are aired again. Most movies will be broadcast again eventually. You can only watch so much programming at one time anyway.Thinking of upgrading my Tivo HD with 1tb WD drive, but I am leary a lot of my movies will not transfer with the Red No Smoking sign, saying copy write protected.
Any other ways to get them to another Tivo or to my PC through anything other than Tivo Desktop? The media is encrypted where I cant plug the 1tb drive into a computer and drag and drop correct?
Thank you,
Shane
That's what I'll do, I'm ok with that. :up: it just would be nice if whatever was on the 1tb external drive would stay. wonder why it is married to the Tivo box.You could set up wish list searches on your premiere to record the copy protected movies when they are aired again. Most movies will be broadcast again eventually. You can only watch so much programming at one time anyway.
I have one movie recorded (Arabesque) that for some reason won't transfer fully to my Video server. I have been waiting five years for it to be broadcast again. There were more than 60 other videos that until fairly recently I could not transfer, either, and I had been waiting over four years for many of them. I have been waiting more than 10 years for Scavenger Hunt to be re-broadcast, and there is a very long list of programs I have which have some inferior aspect related to them and for which I have been waiting quite some years to be re-broadcast. Depending on the OP's list, it might be many, many years before some of them are re-broadcast. It's up to him, of course, if he chooses to roll the dice.You could set up wish list searches on your premiere to record the copy protected movies when they are aired again. Most movies will be broadcast again eventually. You can only watch so much programming at one time anyway.
I agree, it would be nice if it was a standalone device that could be moved from device to device while loaded with movies etc...,That's what I'll do, I'm ok with that. :up: it just would be nice if whatever was on the 1tb external drive would stay. wonder why it is married to the Tivo box.
