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This Link talks about how Uncle Sam will be giving $40 coupons towards the purchase of a digital tuner to help ease the pain and suffering of the digital transition. I wonder...will a new TV with a digital tuner qualify? How about a new HR20? How about an old HR10-250 on ebay?
 

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trausch said:
This Link talks about how Uncle Sam will be giving $40 coupons towards the purchase of a digital tuner to help ease the pain and suffering of the digital transition. I wonder...will a new TV with a digital tuner qualify? How about a new HR20? How about an old HR10-250 on ebay?
From the official government website on this program (http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/faq.html):

13. Can I use my coupon(s) to purchase any converter?
No. The government will provide a list of eligible converters and participating retailers on its website. Consumers can also ask participating retailers what converters in their stores can be purchased with a government coupon.

14. Can I use my coupon to purchase other consumer electronics products, such as DVD recorders or televisions?
No. Coupons will be electronically coded to be redeemable only for purchase of eligible converters.
 

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Another article about the same thing.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/ibm081607.htm

IBM will manage the program.
The OTA ATSC converter boxes will cost $50-75 so there will still be some out of pocket expense
The converter boxes will be of no use to anyone who doesn't use an OTA antenna.

I haven't tuned in a TV signal from an antenna in more than 20 years.
 

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trausch said:
...I wonder...will a new TV with a digital tuner qualify? How about a new HR20? How about an old HR10-250 on ebay?
Not too many posters state something so definitively in the thread title and then turn around and question it in the body of their post. :)
 

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ebockelman said:
Have you seen the MPEG-4 HD channels, or are you just spouting what you have seen other uninformed people post?
I have seen the MPEG-4 channels and they look good but truthfully there must be some quality lost during the conversion from MPEG-2 to MPEG-4.

Maybe those with really great eye site or really large displays can see the difference between a OTA channel at MPEG-2 and the DirecTV version after being converted from MPEG-2 to MPEG-4.
 

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I highly doubt either box, or more aless one for specific service carriers would apply

The "purpose" of that coupon is for straight ATSC Digital converters.

You could try though.
Well lets see. The simplest converter will have an antenna in and an analog out and come with a remote. There will also be a plethora of of manufactures making these and to differentiate themselves they may add "features". Let's say Phillips make a box and in addition to the analog out they include a HDMI port. Will this box still qualify? I should hope so, since it is converting a digital signal to analog one but is also providing a digital signal. Now suppose someone throws some RAM in the box so people can buffer shows and pause live TV. Everything is still fine right? Now Comcast says they want to get in on the game and will sell digital converter boxes that also accept cable TV signals. Again no problem since the device still receives digital signals and provides an analog output.

So you see. As long as a device tunes digital TV and somewhere puts out an analog signal (even if you don't use it) it will probably qualify for the rebate. Besides, you don't think the electronics manufactures and retails stores will lobby to make the interpretation of the use of these coupons as vague as possible?
 

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I haven't tuned in a TV signal from an antenna in more than 20 years.
Then you haven't seen REAL HD TV! You certainly won't see it on D*, just HD_Lite.
Technically, a satellite antennas IS an Antenna.
I haven't tuned in a TV signal from ANY antenna in more than 20 years.
 

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... Let's say Phillips make a box and in addition to the analog out they include a HDMI port. Will this box still qualify? I should hope so, since it is converting a digital signal to analog one but is also providing a digital signal. Now suppose someone throws some RAM in the box so people can buffer shows and pause live TV. Everything is still fine right? Now Comcast says they want to get in on the game and will sell digital converter boxes that also accept cable TV signals. Again no problem since the device still receives digital signals and provides an analog output.

So you see. As long as a device tunes digital TV and somewhere puts out an analog signal (even if you don't use it) it will probably qualify for the rebate.
I don't think I can agree with is. The paperwork the government requires to pay back someone $40 is not going to make a profit for any decent company. My guess is that the govt will contract with manufacturers whose equipment qualify to the govt's standards and allow them a minimal profit, which the big boys could care less about.

I would expect to see the likes of Emerson and such authorized for the rebate program. I wouldn't count on the Sony's and Toshiba's of the world to be involved in this unless they contract with another outfit for what would be absolutely minimal profit.
 

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Well lets see. The simplest converter will have an antenna in and an analog out and come with a remote. There will also be a plethora of of manufactures making these and to differentiate themselves they may add "features". Let's say Phillips make a box and in addition to the analog out they include a HDMI port. Will this box still qualify? I should hope so, since it is converting a digital signal to analog one but is also providing a digital signal. Now suppose someone throws some RAM in the box so people can buffer shows and pause live TV. Everything is still fine right? Now Comcast says they want to get in on the game and will sell digital converter boxes that also accept cable TV signals. Again no problem since the device still receives digital signals and provides an analog output.

So you see. As long as a device tunes digital TV and somewhere puts out an analog signal (even if you don't use it) it will probably qualify for the rebate. Besides, you don't think the electronics manufactures and retails stores will lobby to make the interpretation of the use of these coupons as vague as possible?
Umm, wrong again. Actually, the rules of this program are quite strict. See the following doc from the program site:

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/DTVmanufacturers.pdf

Some key points:

--Manufacturers have to submit their devices for government certification before they'll be eligible for the program.
--There are particular device features that if present automatically make a device ineligible for the program. In particular, if a device has any of the following features, the government will not accept it into the program:

* A screen
* Any kind of recording or playback capability
* DVI, Component, HDMI, digital audio outs (coax or optical), VGA, USB, Firewire, Ethernet or WiFi

If you combine that with the fact that the coupons (they're not rebates) will be coded to work only with models that have passed the government certification, it would seem very hard to use them to buy something like an HR20. In fact, if you read the feature list above, it's clear that the program is designed from the start to specifically exclude devices like DVRs.
 

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ebockelman said:
Have you seen the MPEG-4 HD channels, or are you just spouting what you have seen other uninformed people post?
My neighbor hasn't upgraded yet to the Ka-band dish, so she's still just getting the MPEG-2 HD channels, but I couldn't believe how bad they looked when I was over there recently helping her with some other stuff. At first I thought she was tuned to the SD version of one of the local NYC networks, but she was on the HD channel. Then I thought something was misconfigured on her receiver or TV, but it all checked out. And then I went to the SD channel to compare myself and it was actually worse, so it really was on the HD channel.

I'm sure everyone still with DirecTV is anxious for the new HD nationals to come via the Ka-band satellites. It's hard to imagine that they could possibly look worse than they do now.
 

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You know, the more I think about this, the dumber I think it is.

They are trying to offset the cost of forcing digital broadcast yet they are limiting folks to keeping their older TVs to make the migration.

Why?

Why not encourage the migration in anyway it can happen?

If someone wants to use their 40 bucks to buy a new TV that gets the digital signals, why not? Why force them into buying hardware that has limited life and force folks to use their old TVs to get the money?
 

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TonyD79 said:
You know, the more I think about this, the dumber I think it is.

They are trying to offset the cost of forcing digital broadcast yet they are limiting folks to keeping their older TVs to make the migration.

Why?

Why not encourage the migration in anyway it can happen?

If someone wants to use their 40 bucks to buy a new TV that gets the digital signals, why not? Why force them into buying hardware that has limited life and force folks to use their old TVs to get the money?
The express intent of the program is to ensure those in the low income category don't get cut off from free television completely. The limitations placed on the coupon ensure that it isn't just a general $40 off coupon for anyone. Those with the money/means to buy something better will likely buy something better and not use the coupon. This will limit the monetary exposure of the government in issuing these coupons.
 

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Ok Can someone tell me what channel the mpeg4 hd channels are compared to the mpeg2 ones.


I do notice that the over the air hd locals look better then the ones on directv
 

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The express intent of the program is to ensure those in the low income category don't get cut off from free television completely. The limitations placed on the coupon ensure that it isn't just a general $40 off coupon for anyone. Those with the money/means to buy something better will likely buy something better and not use the coupon. This will limit the monetary exposure of the government in issuing these coupons.
And that means that the low income folks can't buy a new TV?

As I said, stupid. The government is forcing them to use their own money if they want a new TV but is willing to shove them into keeping old technology.

Just because it is meant for lower income people doesn't mean they should be treated as second class.

Just plain stupid. Somebody who has little money but saves up their pennies to buy a new TV gets shafted? Nice way to promote industry and the economy.

I wonder if the government will now tell me how to spend my income tax refund?
 
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