After doing some more research on the forum, it appears that it's considered "theft of service" to do anything with a Tivo without paying for Tivo service. Presumably that's why nobody has responded. I thought service was only necessary to record programs, and didn't intend to suggest doing something illegal. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Transfering content from Series 2 -> Series 1
I just took advantage of the upgrade offer to transfer lifetime service from my old Series 1 to a new Series 2. I'd like to put my old Series 1 to good use now.
I'm considering hacking my Series 1 to add a network adapter, but won't purchase service for it. I just want to be able to transfer content from the Series 2 to my network-enabled Series 1 to watch it in another room. Is that possible? Can it be made convenient (e.g. so my kid could do it via the remote)?
I'm considering hacking my Series 1 to add a network adapter, but won't purchase service for it. I just want to be able to transfer content from the Series 2 to my network-enabled Series 1 to watch it in another room. Is that possible? Can it be made convenient (e.g. so my kid could do it via the remote)?
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Welcome to the forum!
In this case, it's not theft of service. It's just not possible. A network enabled Series 1 cannot communicate with any Series 2 TiVo. The software doesn't support it. You can't use the MRV feature between Series 1s and Series 2s.
But at least you admitted to doing some reading and searching.
Most newbies don't seem to do any searching before asking a question that has been asked to death.
In this case, it's not theft of service. It's just not possible. A network enabled Series 1 cannot communicate with any Series 2 TiVo. The software doesn't support it. You can't use the MRV feature between Series 1s and Series 2s.
But at least you admitted to doing some reading and searching.
Most newbies don't seem to do any searching before asking a question that has been asked to death.
It is possible, to a degree, but doing so is considered extraction, which is why nobody answered.
You can likely continue to record with your Series 1 though.
You can likely continue to record with your Series 1 though.
OK, for the record, what *is* allowed without service? I got the impression that using it in any
way, even if not connected to a telephone line, was considered "theft of service".
I see that I can downgrade my firmware to an older version that allows manual recording.
Is that within Tivo's terms of service?
way, even if not connected to a telephone line, was considered "theft of service".
I see that I can downgrade my firmware to an older version that allows manual recording.
Is that within Tivo's terms of service?
This response is likely to open up a firestorm of dissenting views, but here goes.
To be able to answer that question properly, we need to know the series and model number of your TiVo. A short summary of what is allowed would be:
All DirecTiVos require a service contract with DirecTV. These models do not work with anything but DirecTV.
Without a subscription, most Series 1 TiVos act like a VCR, requiring manual scheduling of recordings. Some of the later models do require a subscription to function. But without a subscription, you cannot schedule Season Passes or Wishlists. The TiVo must be set to manually record all programs.
All Series 2 TiVos require a subscription to receive television guide data. Also included in this would be Season Passes, Wishlists, Suggestions, MRV, TiVoToGo, Online Scheduling, etc. The only exceptions are the following models: Pioneer DVR-57H, Pioneer DVR-810H-S, Toshiba SD-H400, Toshiba RS-TX20, Toshiba RS-TX60. These models have TiVo Basic service, which only gets 3 days of guide data and does not allow any of the regular subscription services (MRV, TiVoToGo, Online Scheduling, etc.).
All Series 3 TiVos require a subscription to receive television guide data. Also included in this would be Season Passes, Wishlists, Suggestions, MRV, TiVoToGo, Online Scheduling, etc.
What is not allowed and is considered theft of service:
Any attempt to get television guide data without a subscription.
Any attempt to extract shows similar to MRV without a subscription.
I'm sure others can add to the list of "theft of service." These are all I can think of a this time. Basically, if you want a DVR that does not require a subscription to function, you do not want a TiVo.
I'm a little fuzzy on the Series 1s, as I do not own one. But I'm sure others will chime in and correct me.
Hope that helps,
robomeister
To be able to answer that question properly, we need to know the series and model number of your TiVo. A short summary of what is allowed would be:
All DirecTiVos require a service contract with DirecTV. These models do not work with anything but DirecTV.
Without a subscription, most Series 1 TiVos act like a VCR, requiring manual scheduling of recordings. Some of the later models do require a subscription to function. But without a subscription, you cannot schedule Season Passes or Wishlists. The TiVo must be set to manually record all programs.
All Series 2 TiVos require a subscription to receive television guide data. Also included in this would be Season Passes, Wishlists, Suggestions, MRV, TiVoToGo, Online Scheduling, etc. The only exceptions are the following models: Pioneer DVR-57H, Pioneer DVR-810H-S, Toshiba SD-H400, Toshiba RS-TX20, Toshiba RS-TX60. These models have TiVo Basic service, which only gets 3 days of guide data and does not allow any of the regular subscription services (MRV, TiVoToGo, Online Scheduling, etc.).
All Series 3 TiVos require a subscription to receive television guide data. Also included in this would be Season Passes, Wishlists, Suggestions, MRV, TiVoToGo, Online Scheduling, etc.
What is not allowed and is considered theft of service:
Any attempt to get television guide data without a subscription.
Any attempt to extract shows similar to MRV without a subscription.
I'm sure others can add to the list of "theft of service." These are all I can think of a this time. Basically, if you want a DVR that does not require a subscription to function, you do not want a TiVo.
I'm a little fuzzy on the Series 1s, as I do not own one. But I'm sure others will chime in and correct me.
Hope that helps,
robomeister
Without service on any TiVo, you can view existing recordings on the NPL, and buffer Live TV. All Standalone TiVos can also do GS and call in to set the time without a sub. I believe it needs subbed to get software updates though.bobdrad said:OK, for the record, what *is* allowed without service? I got the impression that using it in any
way, even if not connected to a telephone line, was considered "theft of service".
I see that I can downgrade my firmware to an older version that allows manual recording.
Is that within Tivo's terms of service?
Series 1s that came with 1.3 or earlier (manufactured before Oct 2001) can also record the Live TV buffer, or a Timed manual recording.
And that is with any software version, the qualifier is it has to have come from the factory with 1.3 or lower to be eligible. And no, you cannot install 1.3 on a later Series 1 oe a Series 2 or 3 to get it to record without service.
Series 2 DVD combos from Toshiba and Pioneer come with TiVo Basic, which allows 3 days guide, a Season-Pass Lite, and I think search, as well as buffer and manual recording. They also get software updates.
DirecTV Tivos are the same as Series 2 Standalones.
What is considered Theft of services is simply enabling features that must be paid for, regardless if they have not impact on TiVos or others servers.
For Standalones, this means nearly everything.
For DirecTV TiVos, HMO/MRV is allowed to be enabled, because that feature is not available form DirecTV.
Extraction is forbidden discussion for other reasons, related to studios and copyrights.
Also considered theft of service, is hacking a TiVo (subbed or not) to work with pirate satellite and cable boxes.
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