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Tivo's OTA guide is filled with duplicate channels that have no signal

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I live in the Seattle area and Tivo's OTA guide has valid guide info for channels that I receive. Most of the time the Guide just duplicates information over and over
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Yeah, I all I need to do is go into Manage-->Settings-->Channel Settings and deselect the duplicate channels.

My point is that Tivo is not a cheap Linux DVR coming out China that can be ordered on Amazon for $50. People pay significant money to get a Tivo (sub or lifetime) and expect a much better experience than this. Its a very bad user experience, far below what is expected from a Tivo product. Even my 1999 Tivo never had such a bad user experience.

To make the daily experience worse, every single day, or maybe every other day, I get a Tivo message stating my lineup has changed. In reality all that is happening is a couple of channels keep changing their ID, such "13" changes to "13-5", then within 24-48 hours, it will flip back ("13-1" --> "13"), then keep flipping day after day. I literally have 100s of messages informing me that my line up has changed when in fact nothing has changed.
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Yeah, from my recollection, that’s a feature that’s been present since the adoption of Rovi data.
p.a. I’d be less annoyed if it *was* just duplicate information, but that the duplicates have bad info resulting in lack of tuning is a problem.
Yeah, I all I need to do is go into Manage-->Settings-->Channel Settings and deselect the duplicate channels.
One thing that's hard when deleting duplicate channels through Channel Settings is that you don't see the signal, so you don't always know which is the right one. It may be easier to delete them while watching live TV, which you can do like this:

* Bring up the blank channel
* Hit Select. It should bring up a mini guide at the bottom with 3 rows of guide data. I have the older interface, but it should look something like this:

* Cursor left to select the channel name
* Hit Select to bring up the channel settings menu. You should see options to delete or add the channel to favorites. Delete the blank channel and repeat for the others.

I'm also annoyed by the blank/duplicate channels with OTA. I don't have too many duplicates, but the Tivo adds channels which are outside my range and I don't have a signal for them.
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i live in Seattle and see the same thing. However, those are not really duplicate info for the same channel. They are on different RF signals. Channel 7 especially has multiple transmitters because of all the hills and trees. This is actually a good thing. You have a much better chance of finding a signal on one of the translators for your area and then deleting the channels where you don't get a signal. I wish more of the stations would do the same thing instead of relying on one transmitter location. All of these will show up as 7-1, but in fact they have different ATSC channel ids.

KIRO-TV is rebroadcast on the following translator stations:[45]

Digital translators

Callsign Channel City of license
K18NI-D 18 Point Pulley, etc.
K18NH-D 18 Puyallup
KIRO-TV 18 Seattle
K26IC-D 26 Bremerton
K26OZ-D 26 Everett
KIRO-TV 28 Mount Vernon
K29IA-D 29 Centralia
K30FL-D 30 Port Angeles
KIRO-TV 34 Olympia

And I agree about the channel 13 to 13-5 back to 13 back to 13-5 that keeps happening multiple times a week.
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And I agree about the channel 13 to 13-5 back to 13 back to 13-5 that keeps happening multiple times a week.
Doesn't that seem like a station issue though? Like it's Tivo's fault the stations keep changing things? If it's not normal behavior how are you supposed to account for it on the software side?

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Doesn't that seem like a station issue though? Like it's Tivo's fault the stations keep changing things? If it's not normal behavior how are you supposed to account for it on the software side?
By using the PSIP. It's why the TV works ok.
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I have duplicates because of the FCC repacks. Some stations have changed frequencies twice. Tivo added the new frequencies as another station, leaving the old one in place. For NBC I can almost get the signal from a second tower so I have both original frequencies, both frequencies from the first repack and another extra one from another repack. The channel only needs deselected once, but when each on has four subchannels it can get confusing as to which ones I need to keep since the rf channel is no longer listed in the channel selection screen.
I had to go through and make a spreadsheet of the channels we actually receive and then delete the extras so that they don't populate on my guide anymore. It is time consuming but generally a one time thing and then it works well as the channels you don't get don't show up as options.
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