I LOVE my burner... It was tons of money at the time, but I still feel it is worth every penny. I'm personally am leery of refurbed stuff. You might try e-bay (though, of course that has it's risks too). Units with lifetime go for about the retail price, but you can find some nice devices that can't be found in retail. Unless season pass and home media are critical to you, you might try one that includes "lifetime Tivo basic service" to help bring your costs down.