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Regarding "Popular TiVo features have been enhanced to work with voice control." here is an example of some things you can do with voice:
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"Schedule a OnePass for Modern Family" - takes you right to the point where you can setup a OnePass
How about "Watch Iron Fist on Netflix"?

And, agreed, thanks for popping-in to post, and for any insights you can provide.
 

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The blue button sends a unique button code. We programmed this into the latest version of our gen3 experience (aka Encore) in order to recognize a case where you are running earlier software with a new remote. In this scenario, the Hydra upgrade app launches when the blue button is pushed. So, if you have a Roamio or BOLT device now and want voice, here is what you do:

0. Wait until 10/29
1. Force a connection to the service to make sure you have version 20.7.4
2. Buy a VOX remote ($39.99 for BOLT, $44.99 for Roamio).
3. Setup and pair the remote to your box
4. Press the voice button on the remote which *should* launch the upgrade app
5. Go through the steps to request the upgrade
6. Force a call to get the upgrade
7. Reboot to install the upgrade
8. Start using voice
 

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If you purchase an accessory VOX Remote, pressing the blue button on the remote will automatically trigger the update as long as your box is running the latest version of the current gen3 software (20.7.4).
This will be true for Roamio and pre-Vox Mini boxes that would need the new VOX Remote to first be paired via the Bluetooth dongle, as well?
 

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so how will they tell if you have a vox remote or not? unless they put a code or something in with the vox remotes it would seem Hydra will launch Sunday?
See above--yep, Hydra launches Sunday. :) And pressing the voice button on the Vox remote will launch a Hydra update if your box has the latest (non-Hydra) software (see above).
 

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Okay, let me take your MINI questions in 2 parts - first with existing MINI's, here is what happens with a 2k MINI. This behavior occurs regardless of whether you have a voice remote for the MINI:

2k MINI with gen3 connects to a DVR (Roamio or BOLT) running gen4 - MINI will tell you it needs to upgrade to gen4 in order to connect. You agree, and it upgrades itself. You don't agree, and you cannot connect. Once the MINI upgrades to gen4, you can connect as before, but you won't have voice features on the MINI unless you buy a voice remote.

2k MINI with gen4 then tries to connect to a DVR (Premiere, Roamio or BOLT) running gen3 - MINI will tell you it needs to downgrade to gen3 in order to connect. You agree, and it downgrades itself. You don't agree, and you cannot connect. If you have a voice remote, it will still work with the MINI running gen3, but the voice button will not do anything.

This does create a bit of a headache for someone with a MINI and both a Premiere XL and a Roamio or BOLT who wants to use voice.
 

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Here is what happens with a 4k MINI VOX. This unit ships with the same VOX Remote that is included with the BOLT VOX.

4K MINI VOX with gen4 connects to a DVR (Roamio or BOLT) running gen4 - Life is good.

4K MINI VOX with gen4 tries to connect to a Premiere DVR running gen3 - MINI VOX will tell you it needs to downgrade to gen3 in order to connect. You agree, and it downgrades itself. You don't agree, and you cannot connect. The voice remote will still work with the MINI VOX running gen3, but the voice button will not do anything. 4K apps will still work in this configuration. You basically have a 2K MINI with 4K app support. If you never want voice, I guess you could buy a non-voice BOLT remote as an accessory to use in this case.

4K MINI with gen4 tries to connect to a DVR (Roamio or BOLT) running gen3 - MINI will tell you it needs to downgrade to gen3 in order to connect, or you need to upgrade your host DVR to gen4. At this point you either go down the Premiere path above (downgrading) or the gen4 upgrade path from my prior post.
 

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Will the Vox support HDR or Dolby Vision? I have a Roamio Pro, which I'm quite happy with. I've found that HDR makes a noticeable difference on my new OLED TV, so I've switched to watching streaming apps on my TV. Availability of this feature on the Vox would make me more likely to upgrade.
 

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This does create a bit of a headache for someone with a MINI and both a Premiere XL and a Roamio or BOLT who wants to use voice.
An extension to the mixed mode, which I think you explained fine. I have two Roamio boxes. I want to put Hydra on one, and its Mini. I also want to NOT put gen 4 on the other Roamio. Will the programs still be available to either Roamio without any upgrade or downgrade problem? It seems gen 4 is a UI issue, so I don't think there should be a problem, but I want to be sure. Thanks.
 

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So I am just seeing some of this new info: Guessing the only difference in the Vox Bolt remote and the Vox remote for the older boxes is the bluetooth dongle? I already have a BT dongle/remote, and would like to go ahead and pre-order (and the Roamio version is not listed anywhere). Thanks!
 

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Semi-softball questions. :)

What is your impression of Hydra so far, in general, compared to Encore?

Would you say Hydra is in its mostly final form, or will it continue to evolve in much the same way it took Encore a while to complete?
 

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So I am just seeing some of this new info: Guessing the only difference in the Vox Bolt remote and the Vox remote for the older boxes is the bluetooth dongle? I already have a BT dongle/remote, and would like to go ahead and pre-order (and the Roamio version is not listed anywhere). Thanks!
If you're referring to the dongle that came with the slide remote, that is an RF4CE dongle, not a Bluetooth dongle. The Roamio version will be up shortly and they will be available at the same time.
 

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Hi everyone, I'm going to take the plunge here and try to answer some of your VOX and Hydra related questions. It's been 12 years since my last post to the TiVo forums, so go easy on me. I'll never be able to fill Margret's shoes.

Regarding our 4th generation user experience (aka Hydra), we will be making it available to all MINI, Roamio, BOLT and BOLT+ customers starting on the release date - 10/29. There will be a web page where you can request the update, and we will also have an on-box upgrade application. If you purchase an accessory VOX Remote, pressing the blue button on the remote will automatically trigger the update as long as your box is running the latest version of the current gen3 software (20.7.4). We have no plans to push the gen4 experience to customers unless they explicitly request it, however gen4 is required in order to have access to the voice features.

New customers who purchase and activate a BOLT, BOLT+, BOLT VOX or Roamio device after 10/29 will automatically receive our gen4 experience. Gen4 is where we will be placing a majority of our effort for new features and functionality going forward. If somebody wants to downgrade to gen3, they can, but the downgrade experience is less than ideal. It is a complete wipe of the box and all recordings are lost. We are trying to make this *very clear* during the upgrade process so that people don't accidentally upgrade to gen4. We are also trying to make it very clear with our accessory remote sales that the new gen4 experience is required in order to use voice controls.

Clear as mud?
I'm guessing the webpage will be like the priority update page where we could signup and get the latest software update. I wish they just had a checkbox in the account area of the Tivo my account page.for software upgrades.

will the Tivo upgrade and downgrade apps that came with 20.7.4 then be enabled when the software update is ready for the boxes, how soon after it's requested via the webpage should users expect to beable to download it? also I'm guessing the upgrade should not delete recorded shows, but if downgrade is used the box will be like brand new?
 

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Semi-softball questions. :)

What is your impression of Hydra so far, in general, compared to Encore?

Would you say Hydra is in its mostly final form, or will it continue to evolve in much the same way it took Encore a while to complete?
Softball, or entrapment? :p

Our new experience is by no means "done". It is a dramatic enhancement over what we had in the Spring in Spain, but we have a lot more work to do. Our goal during beta testing has been to get to stability/reliability and to understand areas where existing customers who upgrade might feel like it was more of a downgrade to the experience. I would expect that we will continue to roll out enhancements to the UI on a quarterly basis for a while.

The voice function runs as a real-time web service, so it will be enhanced on a much more frequent basis.
 
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