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I have a TiVo on Spectrum in NC. They stopped offering cable cards for new customers shortly after the legislation changed a year ago. They currently still support existing cable card customers but I anticipate that is going to change shortly (I have not received an email alerting me to a change). I prefer TiVo to streaming and generic DVRs offered by cable companies (TiVo is far superior) and will be sad when they drop support. I complained to the FCC but got nowhere with them.

So I will do likewise - as soon as Spectrum drops support for my TiVo, I will be changing providers and will not be sad to be rid of Spectrum. I have a few streaming packages now (not great for sports) but I will also mount an antenna and use my TiVo for OTA reception. The good news is that I will be able to upgrade to vastly superior fiber internet when we are booted from Spectrum (that fiber service lacks a cable TV offering though - TiVo is the only reason we haven't switched already).
I'm in NC on Sectrum as well. I have had a 3tb 6 tuner for +6 years, had trouble with it 3 yrs ago and Tivo replaced it, no charge yes refurb but works! I just checked my One Pass Mgr and have 135 currently scheduled to record shows..yes I'm a tv-a-holic 馃榿
I have returned competitor's junk dvrs even before the free promo was over. It's not Tivo!

But it's a pain to keep resetting the Tuning Adapters monthly as it disconnects 馃槕 and the CableCard overheats, so had to set up a small pc fan to keep the already raised Tivo cool.

With their cable and internet rates rising, one box with 3 cc still costing me @200/month, good time to say goodbye too after 19yrs!
So long Weaknees.. unless they have ota boxes 馃馃槃

3 Tivo Bolts +5 years old and a Premiere that's 10
 

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Spectrum has said that TiVo using customers are less than 3% of all their subscribers. Not a terrific incentive to keep it going for them.
It is far less than that. While none of the operators have had to report their numbers for a few years now, the numbers were in the fraction of a percent. And they likely have gone down. The loss of TV subscribers itself is closer to 4-5%/year, and monthly churn (while lower in 2021) is 2-3% per month (every month). In other words, the number of CableCARD customers is sufficiently small such that if they are in the way of projects that Charter considers growth areas (i.e. HSI) there is clearly no way Charter is going to stop progress for the less than 1%.
 

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I'm in NC on Sectrum as well. I have had a 3tb 6 tuner for +6 years, had trouble with it 3 yrs ago and Tivo replaced it, no charge yes refurb but works! I just checked my One Pass Mgr and have 135 currently scheduled to record shows..yes I'm a tv-a-holic 馃榿
I have returned competitor's junk dvrs even before the free promo was over. It's not Tivo!

But it's a pain to keep resetting the Tuning Adapters monthly as it disconnects 馃槕 and the CableCard overheats, so had to set up a small pc fan to keep the already raised Tivo cool.

With their cable and internet rates rising, one box with 3 cc still costing me @200/month, good time to say goodbye too after 19yrs!
So long Weaknees.. unless they have ota boxes 馃馃槃

3 Tivo Bolts +5 years old and a Premiere that's 10
You should be able to re-provision the bolts for OTA use. Yeah, I have to reset the dumb tuning adapters periodically and I also have an external fan for my Bolt so sounds familiar. The most annoying thing for me though is how NC runs those Emergency Alert System tests so often that mess up the tuners on the TiVo. That is really annoying.
 

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I am considering Verizon Fios if Spectrum drops all Cable Cards
Be aware that while there are older ONT's previously installed, Verizon is now primarily installing new generation ONTs (using NG-PON2) which do not support linear QAM (there is not even an RF out port). Verizon has made no secret of their eventual goal of getting of TV service (their CSRs will sell FiOS TV for customers not on the new generation of ONT's, but they first suggest OTT providers such as YTTV), as their primary focus is on HSI.

As with many other operators, the writing is on the wall, if you know how to read it. Of course, just like the sign being held on the street saying "The End is Near", no one has yet defined the exact timeframe of near.
 

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If and when the day this BS move comes, any cable company should offer a dvr cable box for the same price as the cable card setup
They sort of do. You can use their app on an Apple TV (or Roku), and Charter will even sell you an Apple TV over a few months. And they offer a cloud DVR solution (which all their next gen solutions will use; there will no longer be local storage).

The future is streaming/on-demand content delivery. There are 5 stages of grief, and no doubt different people are in different stages.
 

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Hello group,

This is my first time visiting your forum which I found doing a search for Spectrum's cable card news. I was having an issue today with my TiVo Bolt missing a few channels and called Spectrum tech support. The rep said, "you do know we are discontinuing cable cards? We sent out email notices." I told the rep I have not received an email. After rattling off a list of cities, she notified me that my market is not yet on the list for discontinuation. I am in the Tampa Bay area.

I currently have a master TiVo Bolt unit and 6 Mini/Lux units around the house. If the cable card and tuning adapter are eliminated, that really jams me up. I will have to re-imagine my entire house. I love TiVo's intuitive software, which I've used for over 20 years. I have despised other DVRs I've tried (eg. Spectrum in a temp corporate NYC apartment).

What are my options if I get the cancellation here in Florida. I currently record four news channels daily for my occupation. What about getting TV to all my other TVs in the house without having cable boxes everywhere? I hope there is a viable solution. This clearly torpedoes a large segment of TiVo's business model and leaves me with a pile of obsolete gear.

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Probably DirecTV Streaming. It has a cloud DVR and unlimited clients on the same LAN. Other cloud DVRs are limited to just a couple of simultaneous streams, nowhere near the 7 you would need. Unless of course you never watch all 7 at the same time, more like 3, which Youtube TV could handle. All cloud DVR services can record an unlimited number of simultaneous programs. The upside of a streaming solution is you can watch your recordings anywhere in the country on any streaming device, phone, tablet or laptop.
 

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I had talked about this in another thread here and where I ended up was with a guy in the cablecard support department at Spectrum who told me that, while they won't be cutting off service, they won't be going further with them. He said there is absolutely no reason that my service would stop, as far as the two cards I have. He even looked it up to verify what he was telling me.

It just sounded like some of the stuff they are doing, progress-wise, has nothing to do with cable cards. There's a possibility, since he said that the only cable cards they are issuing now are refurbed, that there could come a time that there are no more cable cards and one would need to consider going with their option.

It's kind of like when you have older electronic equipment that still works fine, but if you need to replace it you would have to replace it with something else.
 

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If and when the day this BS move comes, any cable company should offer a dvr cable box for the same price as the cable card setup - yeah, I know that鈥檒l never happen.
I鈥榤 in Manhattan since the days of Manhattan Cable TV, which became Time Warner Cable and eventually Spectrum and can guarantee you there is no loyalty for long time customers 鈥

I am considering Verizon Fios if Spectrum drops all Cable Cards since I already have an ODN box they had to place in for Landline phone support since copper wiring has been phased out and Fios seems to be more Cable Card friendly, for now鈥 or going OTA and some sort of Streamer/YouTube TV like setup, but not something I鈥檓 familiar with

I got sick and tired of the cable and satellite companies constant price increases, and/or dropping channels, so I got a TiVo Bolt in January, and couldn't be happier "cutting the cord". Living in the Los Angeles area I get over 100 English speaking stations, with superb quality. There was only one program I was paying them for that I could not get for FREE over the air. I now pay NBC - Peacock just $5.00 a month to stream anything they have, and save hundreds that I was paying for cable, then for Dish.

I for one, DO NOT want to go back to having a cable or satellite provider, or needing a cable card to watch and record programs. TiVO, for me, has been amazing. I just wish I had made the switch years ago.

If the cable & satellite companies think they can get rid of cable cards, and keep customers, they are getting paid too much to think in old concept ways. They NEED us, we DON'T NEED them ANYMORE, thanks to Digital, FREE, Over the Air broadcasts and streaming services, and devices like TiVo.
 

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If streaming is so great, how do you edit?
I don't have a need or desire to edit, either broadcasts or streams. Never have! Personal or downloaded videos that I want to edit, I use Wondershare Video Converter Ultimate. It allows me to cut, resize, adjust sound & color settings, convert formats such as from WMA to MP4, and crop videos.
 

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Stop telling people to get Fios. These are the only places Fios is available. (The major cities, in a handful of states in the NE). Don't expect this anywhere else any time soon.
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That really just looks like sponsored content in that original link to me. "The overpriced cable card", that I'm paying $1 a month for? If spectrum stops supporting this, I'm not going to a different tivo, I'm going to streaming TV, with all time 4K, and unlimited cloud DVR, and certainly wouldn't be spectrum. If I thought I could get a good return on my bolt with lifetime, I'd probably sell it now.
 

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Stop telling people to get Fios. These are the only places Fios is available. (The major cities, in a handful of states in the NE). Don't expect this anywhere else any time soon.
Verizon Fios Availability & Coverage Map for Internet, TV, Phone Service

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That really just looks like sponsored content in that original link to me. "The overpriced cable card", that I'm paying $1 a month for? If spectrum stops supporting this, I'm not going to a different tivo, I'm going to streaming TV, with all time 4K, and unlimited cloud DVR, and certainly wouldn't be spectrum. If I thought I could get a good return on my bolt with lifetime, I'd probably sell it now.
I'm sorry, but IF.. and I say IF someone has FiOS available, then it is a far superior product option, there's also the Frontier FiOS communities, and I don't blame people for suggesting it.
Frontier also acquired the fiber-optic system built by Verizon primarily in Fort Wayne, Indiana, around Portland, Oregon, the Tampa Bay area of Florida, southern California, some eastern suburbs of Seattle, Washington, the Dallas鈥揊ort Worth metroplex, and the Greenville area in South Carolina
So that list is missing a bunch of locations, however while the service itself is just as good as when Verizon owned those regions, the TV and Customer support from Frontier is really pretty bad.
It's a shame that FiOS was never able to expand to be a major player, but the slow rollout really hurt them and they just gave up when it was obvious how far ahead the CableCo's were and how much less it cost them to deploy to a home.
 

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I'm sorry, but IF.. and I say IF someone has FiOS available, then it is a far superior product option, there's also the Frontier FiOS communities, and I don't blame people for suggesting it.

So that list is missing a bunch of locations, however while the service itself is just as good as when Verizon owned those regions, the TV and Customer support from Frontier is really pretty bad.
It's a shame that FiOS was never able to expand to be a major player, but the slow rollout really hurt them and they just gave up when it was obvious how far ahead the CableCo's were and how much less it cost them to deploy to a home.
There are about 20 cities where Frontier provides any kind of service, and not all of them offer fiber optic.

You are also muddying up the answer. FiOS is the name of Verizon's service which is what was suggested, and you are saying FiOS, (FIber Optic Service).

I do blame people for continuously suggesting it, HERE. This is the "tivo community" website. Right off the bat we take a bit more involvement in our media than most. Suggesting it here (SEVERAL TIMES), is like going to the Chevy dealership, while they are having a meet event with sports car drivers and saying, "Have you heard of the Corvette?, Have you seen that car over there, that's the corvette? You could buy that car if you want a sports car, it's called a Corvette."

Do you really think people spend the effort to search, sign up for a website, and post about their tv equipment, but never bothered to see which tv service options they have for their home in the first place? It's like going to a brunch restaurant, and asking to speak to the chef so you can ask "do you make eggs?"

I see it suggested a lot on this website which in itself is unneeded. Doing it multiple times in one thread is unaware and kind of ridiculous. It's almost condescending, and talking down to people.
 

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There are about 20 cities where Frontier provides any kind of service, and not all of them offer fiber optic.

You are also muddying up the answer. FiOS is the name of Verizon's service which is what was suggested, and you are saying FiOS, (FIber Optic Service).

I do blame people for continuously suggesting it, HERE. This is the "tivo community" website. Right off the bat we take a bit more involvement in our media than most. Suggesting it here (SEVERAL TIMES), is like going to the Chevy dealership, while they are having a meet event with sports car drivers and saying, "Have you heard of the Corvette?, Have you seen that car over there, that's the corvette? You could buy that car if you want a sports car, it's called a Corvette."

Do you really think people spend the effort to search, sign up for a website, and post about their tv equipment, but never bothered to see which tv service options they have for their home in the first place? It's like going to a brunch restaurant, and asking to speak to the chef so you can ask "do you make eggs?"

I see it suggested a lot on this website which in itself is unneeded. Doing it multiple times in one thread is unaware and kind of ridiculous. It's almost condescending, and talking down to people.
In this particular thread, Fios was suggested to ONE USER (here, and I've edited the post to make it clear it was a reply) who said he was already considering it.

Every other mention was either answering a direct question or someone complaining that Fios was being discussed.

And do I think people on this website may not know what options they have in their area? Absolutely. I see people on this website who don't know how to use the Input button on their TV or know how to navigate to the most basic of TiVo functions (even though they say they've used TiVo for years) so I'd say there's a wide range of expertise on this website.
 

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I'm sorry, but IF.. and I say IF someone has FiOS available, then it is a far superior product option, there's also the Frontier FiOS communities, and I don't blame people for suggesting it.

So that list is missing a bunch of locations, however while the service itself is just as good as when Verizon owned those regions, the TV and Customer support from Frontier is really pretty bad.
For folks who live in a Verizon FiOS area and their home already has a FiOS optical network terminal (ONT) installed, then yes, Verizon FiOS TV is a great option for folks who wish to continue using their CableCARD TiVo DVRs with cable TV service. As pointed out above, Verizon is using a new 2 gig-capable ONT for new installations in NYC and, if not already, very soon throughout the rest of their FiOS footprint, and this new ONT does not support CableCARD as it can only translate the incoming QAM-based FiOS TV service to IPTV on the local home network. (They say that FiOS TV is "coming soon" for customers with the new ONT. We'll see if that ever actually happens or they decide against it and just try to sell those folks YouTube TV or Hulu Live, as they already do on the Verizon 5G Home service which I'm currently trialling.)

As for Frontier, from what I can gather, they no longer sell any form of Frontier-branded TV service to new subscribers anywhere in the country. I'm not aware of them yet shutting down either Frontier FiOS TV or Frontier Vantage TV (formerly AT&T Uverse TV) in any markets, although that may already be underway. But if you don't already have Frontier FiOS TV, I think it's impossible to order at this point, as Frontier only wants to sell you broadband plus streaming video services like YouTube TV or DirecTV Stream (both of which are offered on the Frontier website). I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Frontier does the same thing that another telco, CenturyLink (Lumen) did in 2020-21, and completely shut down operations of their own pay TV services.
 

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I had talked about this in another thread here and where I ended up was with a guy in the cablecard support department at Spectrum who told me that, while they won't be cutting off service, they won't be going further with them. He said there is absolutely no reason that my service would stop, as far as the two cards I have. He even looked it up to verify what he was telling me.

It just sounded like some of the stuff they are doing, progress-wise, has nothing to do with cable cards. There's a possibility, since he said that the only cable cards they are issuing now are refurbed, that there could come a time that there are no more cable cards and one would need to consider going with their option.

It's kind of like when you have older electronic equipment that still works fine, but if you need to replace it you would have to replace it with something else.
I've posted on this topic in a few other threads here, so I'm not going to put up all the evidence/links again, but it's clear at this point that Charter plans to implement "high-split" upgrades to their network that will allow much higher upload speeds. In order to do this, cable operators typically find it necessary to shut down QAM TV. Charter's CEO stated back in January that they would implement high-split in a number of markets in 2022, with others to follow after. Now, IDK, plans can and do change, so we may not see the first Charter markets have QAM TV shut down and high-split upgrades until late this year, or even early 2023. But it's coming.

And when it happens to your market, it's bye-bye CableCARD, as that technology can only work with QAM TV, not streaming IPTV (i.e. the Spectrum TV app), which Charter is transitioning to. It will likely take Charter a couple years or so to work their way around the nation to do these upgrades everywhere. So maybe your TiVo will stop working with their cable TV service in 2023. Maybe in 2024. Maybe in 2025. But I'd be shocked if it lasted until 2026. Because the mid-split upgrades are a sort of "hold-over" improvement to DOCSIS 3.1 until the next-gen DOCSIS 4.0 tech is ready to be deployed, which will allow them to offer symmetrical 10 Gbps internet service. And that's looking like it'll be ready for widespread deployment from Charter, Comcast, etc. in 2025, although I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see it happen until 2026.

Comcast is only doing mid-split, rather than high-split, upgrades to D3.1 right now and the next couple years. So it looks like CableCARD will likely continue to work with their cable TV service until they roll out D4.0 in initial markets in 2025/2026. (And if it goes like recent network upgrades have, Comcast will start those 4.0 upgrades in Chicago, Nashville and Atlanta. We'll see.)
 

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I got sick and tired of the cable and satellite companies constant price increases, and/or dropping channels, so I got a TiVo Bolt in January, and couldn't be happier "cutting the cord". Living in the Los Angeles area I get over 100 English speaking stations, with superb quality. There was only one program I was paying them for that I could not get for FREE over the air. I now pay NBC - Peacock just $5.00 a month to stream anything they have, and save hundreds that I was paying for cable, then for Dish.

I for one, DO NOT want to go back to having a cable or satellite provider, or needing a cable card to watch and record programs. TiVO, for me, has been amazing. I just wish I had made the switch years ago.

If the cable & satellite companies think they can get rid of cable cards, and keep customers, they are getting paid too much to think in old concept ways. They NEED us, we DON'T NEED them ANYMORE, thanks to Digital, FREE, Over the Air broadcasts and streaming services, and devices like TiVo.
Where / how are you getting the 100 channels to your BOLT - over the air?
 

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Where / how are you getting the 100 channels to your BOLT - over the air?
Yeah, he says in his post that he's getting those channels free over-the-air. Be aware that within each generation of TiVo DVR (Roamio, Bolt, Edge, etc.), only certain models support OTA reception. Some models support both CableCARD and OTA while some models only support one or the other.
 

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For folks who live in a Verizon FiOS area and their home already has a FiOS optical network terminal (ONT) installed, then yes, Verizon FiOS TV is a great option for folks who wish to continue using their CableCARD TiVo DVRs with cable TV service. As pointed out above, Verizon is using a new 2 gig-capable ONT for new installations in NYC and, if not already, very soon throughout the rest of their FiOS footprint, and this new ONT does not support CableCARD as it can only translate the incoming QAM-based FiOS TV service to IPTV on the local home network. (They say that FiOS TV is "coming soon" for customers with the new ONT. We'll see if that ever actually happens or they decide against it and just try to sell those folks YouTube TV or Hulu Live, as they already do on the Verizon 5G Home service which I'm currently trialling.)

As for Frontier, from what I can gather, they no longer sell any form of Frontier-branded TV service to new subscribers anywhere in the country. I'm not aware of them yet shutting down either Frontier FiOS TV or Frontier Vantage TV (formerly AT&T Uverse TV) in any markets, although that may already be underway. But if you don't already have Frontier FiOS TV, I think it's impossible to order at this point, as Frontier only wants to sell you broadband plus streaming video services like YouTube TV or DirecTV Stream (both of which are offered on the Frontier website). I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Frontier does the same thing that another telco, CenturyLink (Lumen) did in 2020-21, and completely shut down operations of their own pay TV services.
Frontier did indeed lose the permission to call their service FiOS, but it's still the same technology as Verizon.
However I will continue to espouse the benefits of FiOS as an option for anyone who has it available to them, and I certainly believe there are people here that may not have bothered thinking about FiOS and a push from a few very satisfied users may help push them towards it, because it still beats the pants off Comcast as far as I'm concerned.
 
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