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S3 has an OLED screen, THX certification, larger hard drive, a couple more outputs, and the glow remote.
 

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S3 currently has backdoor eSata enabled,
TivoHD does not at this time.

Not saying both can't change, but for some that might be an important tidbit
 

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bkdtv said:
TivoHD Advantages
  • MSRP is $500 less ($299 vs $799)
  • TivoHD has ~7% faster CPU (450 MIPS vs 420 MIPS)
  • TivoHD has twice the system memory (256MB vs 128MB)
  • Supports MCARDs out of the box.
  • Newer QAM/VSB demodulation chips for potentially improved OTA reception.
  • New, dedicated hardware for MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 SD->SD and HD->SD transcoding
    • Could allow HD->SD MRV with older Series2 Tivos
    • Could allow TivoToGo and MRV to support content flagged as "copy one generation" (via downres)
    • Could allow Tivo to use TivoToGo and MRV to record and stream content for which they cannot obtain Cable Labs approval to pass (via down-res)
    • Could allow place-shifting like Slingbox (thanks megazone)
    • Real-time transcoding could eliminate the need to do it in software, reducing the licensing fees for the Tivo Desktop software.
  • Consumes less power.

TivoHD Disadvantages
  • No lifetime transfers.
  • Smaller hard drive (160GB vs 250GB).
  • eSATA expansion is not yet functional (Kickstart 62 method does not work).
  • No THX certification.
  • No piano black enclosure with OLED display.
  • No slick, learning remote (sold separately for $50).
  • No bundled HDMI cable.
  • Drivers for new components potentially less mature / optimized.
  • Ships with older 8.1.x branch of Tivo software, which doesn't have all the performance improvements of the 8.3.x branch on the Tivo Series3.
  • Potentially slower disk I/O, which may hurt responsiveness.
    The Broadcom BCM7401 in the TivoHD has a single 1.5Gbps SATA channel that is "split" for the internal SATA and eSATA connections using the Silicon Image SiI5723. In contrast, the BCM7038 in the Series3 had a dual-channel SATA controller, so no "splitting" was required. This may negatively impact disk I/O when both internal and eSATA drives are used, and Tivo responsiveness is highly dependent on disk I/O. The SiI5723 does support several RAID modes that could potentially improve random I/O.
 

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In the near future? Probably not. HD-DVD and Blu-ray writers are still too expensive.

If Tivo is able to address the SDV issue, that is something I would look for in 2H 2008.
What do the recorders have to do with SDV? Other than competition of human resources. (maybe I answered my own question).

In any case, I think you are optomistic. Hardware prices would have to come down quite a bit.
 

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But perhaps a TiVo HD + HD-DVD (Player Only) might be available? Personally I'd jump all over a TiVo HD + HD-DVD Player combo.

Also, a TiVo HD + (standard) DVD-Burner would be great. I'd drop my expanded DRT-800 (with Lifetime) in a heartbeat for that combo. Only thing better would be all of that + and HD or BluRay player.
 

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But perhaps a TiVo HD + HD-DVD (Player Only) might be available? Personally I'd jump all over a TiVo HD + HD-DVD Player combo.
Doubtful. The new TiVo HD platform was designed with a lot of flexibility in mind - but I see no sign of support for an optical drive. The '3rd SATA' header seemed like a possibility, but consensus now is that it is simple a testing artifact and not a useful connection. And the case has holes in the sheet metal for a number of 'future' ports - but no such hole for an optical drive.

It doesn't look like any consideration was given to using the current board in a combo unit.

Now, someone could license the platform and modify it - which is how past DVD units were produced. But all of the DVD Combo units have been out of production for a while, and didn't last very long - only about a year for each model. Apparently they didn't sell well, and so were killed off. If sales really were poor, there is no incentive to make another one.

Also, a TiVo HD + (standard) DVD-Burner would be great. I'd drop my expanded DRT-800 (with Lifetime) in a heartbeat for that combo. Only thing better would be all of that + and HD or BluRay player.
Any digital content, HD or not, would have to be transcoded into a DVD compatible format before being burned to disc. The new ViXS XCode-2115 *might* be able to do that.

I think it will be a while before we see another combo player, if ever. With the high costs of both Blu-ray and HD DVD components, it would make for an expensive combo. And with the format war still going, companies like TiVo are probably best waiting it out until HD DVD finally dies (which I think is inevitable) and BD component costs are down.
 

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The hardware reviews for the HD indicate the new circuit board was designed to support multiple configurations.

A clearance of previous models appears to be under way. The series 2 doesn't comply with the new digital tuner rules so now carries a $150 rebate to clear stocks. Circuit City is discounting the S3 to $600, although BestBuy still has it at full price.

The fall home entertainment selling season begins in earnest around Labor Day. It will be interesting to see whether the prices drop further. If so, the choice might be between buying an S3 at $500 or wait to see if a second HD model shows up at that price point with a bigger hard drive, THX and other fancy features.
 

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If Tivo HD's becomes really popular AND the HD DVD format ware is resolved, I can see a combined unit. Most folks don't like having to control all of these separate boxes hooked up to their TV. A Tivo with HD DVD (or Blu Ray) acting as the TV's tuner (ie forget the internal tuner) would do many folks fine.
 

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If Tivo HD's becomes really popular AND the HD DVD format ware is resolved, I can see a combined unit. Most folks don't like having to control all of these separate boxes hooked up to their TV. A Tivo with HD DVD (or Blu Ray) acting as the TV's tuner (ie forget the internal tuner) would do many folks fine.
 

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So now I'm even more confused. I was all set to wait for an S3 price drop, then I read about the advantages of the HD (besides the price) and decide to go ahead and schedule Time Warner for the cable card install (next Saturday, 8/11).

But I go back and forth on pulling the trigger on an HD or not. I'm sick of not having a Tivo in the bedroom but on the other hand would be pissed if the S3 dropped to $400.00 (after a Father's day type rebate promo) in a month. If it was going to be longer than a month, I would get the HD now and forget about another S3.

I suppose to could get an HD at BestBuy and return it within 30 days should the S3 price drop happen.....


Thoughts/Advice?
 

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In my opinion, the existence of the Tivo HD makes it less likely that the Series 2 units will drop significantly any time soon. I don't see such a difference in the two devices, aside from price. And, the closer they get in price, the less the need for two devices at all. Toyota wouldn't price a Camry and a Lexus GSwhatever at $1000 apart. I don't see the two Tivo models getting within $200 until possibly around Christmas. Perhaps not even then. So, make your decision and live with it. Eventually, whatever unit you end up with will be much cheaper than the day you bought it. That's how electronics work....
 

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thechiz said:
Can anybody who has a TiVo HD hooked up to a computer network verify if you can see your jpg photos in "HD" resolution on your HDTV ?
Verified. Works the same as on the S3 (native 720p, not as good as other HD photo viewers out there).
 

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megazone said:
TiVo told me they have no plans to drop the price on the original S3 at this time.
That it a surprise, and almost unbelievable. their wholesale price to major retailers is about $510, so there's not much room for major discounting by them.
 
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