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Has anyone with TE3 seen ads yet?
Rumor has it that it is coming to TE3. I'm guessing we have a few months but that is a total WAG. Curious to see if those who called customer service to "opt out" actually gets rid of the pre-roll ads. The concern I have is that the bloatware designed to support this wonderful ad system is likely still there so who knows if the performance hit, spinning circles, etc. are still there after we opt out.
 

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I don't see much reason why they couldn't do it in realtime. YouTube and Hulu do it. I'd agree that the probably are pre-downloading. All we really need is someone with TE4 who is getting these ads to go into their router and see if their TiVo uses a bunch of bandwidth when they go to start up a show.
If you look at the video, and the blue spinning circle at the start of the pre-roll ad, and then combine that with reports that skipping past the ad is sluggish (not like regular SkipMode ad skipping), all that indicates to me that TiVo is live-streaming the pre-roll ad.
 

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If you look at the video, and the blue spinning circle at the start of the pre-roll ad, and then combine that with reports that skipping past the ad is sluggish (not like regular SkipMode ad skipping), all that indicates to me that TiVo is live-streaming the pre-roll ad.
That's my guess as well. It makes me wonder what effect disconnecting the internet connection to the TiVo would have.
 

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If you look at the video, and the blue spinning circle at the start of the pre-roll ad, and then combine that with reports that skipping past the ad is sluggish (not like regular SkipMode ad skipping), all that indicates to me that TiVo is live-streaming the pre-roll ad.
I think that BSC is a good indication that the pre-roll is from a different server. I'm still at a loss how they made this work without a software update. I'm afraid it means there is no internal TiVo time-out should that server go down. That would be serious.

@tarheelblue32, we posted at the same time. I hope that the ad is triggered by the TiVo starting a playback of a recording. If not, I'm even more worried now.
 

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My prediction is that in a couple of months TiVo folks will be saying "It's not that bad. A few extra button pushes wont matter. We can live with it because TiVo is the bestest DVR ever!".
Yes, this is exactly what current TiVo management and their drones want to happen. The slow drip, drip of its not that bad, everybody does it. They don't my friends. They make their product better, not worse.
 

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It was actually done with the 'Summer Sale'. I can't speak well enough any longer to use VOX so the roll back to TE3 as well as remove the 'pre-roll' is important.
And the good news currently seems to be, you can take the Bolt box out of the wrapper and use it to your needs and satisfaction: you still can sidegrade back to TE3; and further, it's unknown if the pre-roll ads ever will be coming to TE3 (at least, that rollout doesn't seem to be occurring at present)--if it does, and if what the TiVo customer service reps. say really is the case (we'll know yet this week), you then can opt-out of the pre-roll ads through a telephone call.
 

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Wow, sounds worse than I could have imagined. I'm very curious if you can use the TiVo app to start playing a recording on the TiVo (instead of the using the TiVo itself) and see if that triggers the pre-roll ad as well? i.e. Go to the virtual remote of the App and find a show and start play from there. Also if you happen to be a kmttg user, attempt to start playback from kmttg My Shows table to see what happens.
That is exactly how I thought it would happen.

Now I imagine it may even be worse. For some or in some set of circumstances, I can imagine you start to play a recording and get a blue circle and no response from any button, ever, with the only recourse is to pull the plug. I can even imagine this happening every time you try to play a recording, rendering the DRV function useless. I don't know this will happen, but we now know that a long delay (a minute or more) is possible before every recording. No sense worrying about this now.

If the pre-roll ads only run the first time a recording is played, maybe kmttg can play each new recording each night for a short duration so that the user is actually resuming.

Thanks for everything you do for the fantastic kmttg.
 

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That zero down Bolt is not related to the ads, it's zero down with a higher monthly rate. I have one of the cable card zero down bolts, it's $20 a month vs $15 a month for 2 years.

On a side note, not on demand, but HBO Go now works on Comcast.
Thank you!

I believe it was your original Xfinity XG1V4 and TiVo that I used for some decision making! Right now I've the XG1V4 & a Mini @ the main and a 3TB Roamio @ a 2d location. I'm quite happy with it. My Bolt buy was the Summer Sale and I thought it would do well with a 4K display that's actually not installed yet. I bought a Mini VOX for the 4K main display, rolled it to TE3 and it worked well. I did go back to the A9300 Mini just because the Samsung 1080P display, the Yamaha AVR and the A9300 seemed to work better with the CEC than the A9500 Mini VOX. Don't yet know why!
 

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Now I imagine it may even be worse. For some or in some set of circumstances, I can imagine you start to play a recording and get a blue circle and no response from any button, ever, with the only recourse is to pull the plug. I can even imagine this happening every time you try to play a recording, rendering the DRV function useless. I don't know this will happen, but we now know that a long delay (a minute or more) is possible before every recording. No sense worrying about this now.
I imagine the effect will be even worse on a Mini. My Minis lock up almost every time they get a spinning blue circle and the only option is to pull the plug. If that happens every time I try to watch a recording from a Mini, it effectively renders recorded playback from Minis impossible for me.
 

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This is bad enough for those with one Tivo. I myself have 6. Only one on TE4 (and I'm thinking of rolling that back). If they extend it to TE3 would not be good for me unless they can do a blanket roll back for my account, all the devices. One other thing, since the ads are most likely a streaming thing they would be using internet. Probably not affect most users but I have DSL and am capped at 150GB monthly. Doing no streaming I usually use 30-60GB a month, Tivos and computers. If they start using internet to stream ads have no idea how much that would use, the prices if I go over 150GB is per GB or per 10GB and it is a LOT. There is no plan over 150GB, anything over is billed by how much you go over.
 

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Rumor has it that it is coming to TE3. I'm guessing we have a few months but that is a total WAG.
Yeah, from what I've seen, that rumor is pure speculation, based on what non-TiVo people think could happen next. IMHO, it goes in the bin of, we'll have to see what happens/if any further info. actually comes out. Mind you, it wouldn't surprise me, but as you said, it's WAG-time.
This is an amazing brain washing. Now, they got some of us slowly rationalizing that these ads are somehow acceptable with half-baked logic. Hey! Rovi, you want to increase revenue do it the right way! Improve your product!

But you can't because you have deceived us into believing you are a tech company. You are a predatory corporate raider that used the TiVo brand to hide behind. Your behavior is so obvious and disgusting to what TiVo once stood for and your failure is utterly laughable because you can't even make this disgraceful cheap money grab work because it involves some tech.
Do keep in mind: TiVo, not Rovi, brought out pause ads (as well as had the ad Showcase). I don't know if matters would be different, now, had the Rovi acquisition not occurred--from everything people say, TiVo needs the income.
 

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And the good news currently seems to be, you can take the Bolt box out of the wrapper and use it to your needs and satisfaction: you still can sidegrade back to TE3; and further, it's unknown if the pre-roll ads ever will be coming to TE3 (at least, that rollout doesn't seem to be occurring at present)--if it does, and if what the TiVo customer service reps. say really is the case (we'll know yet this week), you then can opt-out of the pre-roll ads through a telephone call.
All I've tried to do is originate a conversation w/TiVo through support that what you've mentioned is 'FACT' and not 'FICTION or TO BE ASSUMED'. Only a response from TiVo will answer my questions. Right now or as of the 'FEATURE ROLL-OUT' I can assume nothing! Telephone call isn't an option for me!!
 

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I think that BSC is a good indication that the pre-roll is from a different server. I'm still at a loss how they made this work without a software update. I'm afraid it means there is no internal TiVo time-out should that server go down. That would be serious.
It wouldn't surprise me if Tivo resurrected the Video Showcase technology that they used in the dial up days to record content (ads/promos) during overnight paid commercial blocks and save them to a small local partition. Still not sure how they could have made it work without an update unless it was already latent in the code.
 

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I hope that the ad is triggered by the TiVo starting a playback of a recording. If not, I'm even more worried now.
From one of the news reports (actually, they all seem to be based on that first one), I believe it was explained that the pre-roll would occur once, when a recording first was played back, and that the pre-roll then would not recur for that show.
 

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Sorry for the delay in joining the conversation. I came back from CEDIA with a nasty case of food poisoning that ended up with me in the ER on a drip line for dehydration. No fun.

As you have noticed, we have started to rollout DVR pre-roll ads. This is part of a broader initiative to modernize TiVo’s consumer business model.

The ads are served dynamically when playback starts at the beginning of a recording playback. Recordings from certain ad-free networks will not get pre-roll ads and resuming playback on a recording also does not get an ad. Lastly since these are dynamic ads, there are times when ad slots are not purchased in which case ad may not see an ad playback. To ensure the experience remains consistent these ads are skippable using the same buttons you would use for ad-skip (Chan Up, D, SKIP and FF). As part of our commitment to improve the experience, we are measuring each step in the process and will be continually optimizing the ads to reduce latency and improve performance.

We are also investing to bring more content to TiVo users. Our soon to be launched TiVo+ video service will include dozens of channels of free entertainment. We have assembled an amazing set of partners as part of this service and will be evolving it in the coming months with many more channels, on-demand movies and shows and other exciting specialty content coming as well.
 

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It wouldn't surprise me if Tivo resurrected the Video Showcase technology that they used in the dial up days to record content (ads/promos) during overnight paid commercial blocks and save them to a small local partition. Still not sure how they could have made it work without an update unless it was already latent in the code.
They've probably been planning this for a while, so had already programmed it into the software and only now have decided to implement it.
 

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. Am going to use Tivo online to transfer recordings from the Bolt to the Premiere (I think using Tivo online you can transfer entire folders, doing direct one show at a time?).
Sadly Tivo online does not work for my transfers. For one it's either individual shows or "all", no folders. I have about 2TB and 1600 shows to transfer, most in folders, some over 200 shows in a folder. I tried the "all", SAYS it has started but it never works, does not transfer anything nor does it go into the to do list. Most I was able to do with Tivo online was like 10 individual at one time. So might as well just do Tivo to Tivo from the Tivos, whew, 1600 shows individually, could take weeks.
 
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