If anyone called in and got the ads disabled from their account, please report back if its been 72 hours and you NO LONGER see them. Thanks!
And we all know how well TiVo has done in its past calculations.They've already done the math. Clearly, they've calculated that the potential loss of long-time Tivo-customers via attrition vs. the (perceived) upside of creating an ad-based/data mining business model is well worth that risk.
Just curious. Do we know yet which domains are ads and which ones are for updates and guide data?I have and will stay on TE3 until Tivo forces it off of my Roamio box so if these ads never hit my box you won't hear me complaining that I'm missing out on this new "feature". I do find it a bit off that one of their biggest selling points is ad skipping and yet here we are with them placing ads into an ad skipping box. I know everyone has been saying the ads are skippable but I'll guess that they won't stay that way and will eventually be forced just like those on Youtube(on a Roku for example). This is the kind of nonsense I would expect from Comcast but not Tivo but here we are.
I just wonder, as others have mentioned, how long before ads turn up elsewhere because if they can make money forcing an ad in one spot they'll see the $$$ and try for even more. Everyone should know that if they can get away with one they'll go for two, etc. I can't imagine them thinking "well, we're making a bit more now with the one and only ad, let's call it a day". Soon enough we'll be watching ads before we can set One Passes or even visiting the Now Playing list if they see a profit can be made and people accept it because it helps Tivo. How much will those who support this new ad format because it helps tolerate before it's too much?
As far as pi-hole I have mine running through it now so for a TE3 box here are my recorded hits over the last 24hrs:
They've already done the math. Clearly, they've calculated that the potential loss of long-time Tivo-customers via attrition vs. the (perceived) upside of creating an ad-based/data mining business model is well worth that risk.
I keep on wondering, ok, TiVo, you want to increase revenue, that's understandable and commendable--then do something positive. I don't see pre-roll ads as a real "positive" (although I'm willing to accept them--but then they should be turn-off-able in the box settings).well, they think they've done the math, but it's difficult to accurately calculate the long-term damage to the brand, not to mention the short-term hit.
tivo claims to be working to double it's subscriber base with their new product offerings in just a few months, so i imagine they're getting this out of the way before new products launch, but i don't think the final tally of their new math will add up the way they've calculated.
Exactly. Ads will generate some money for Tivo, but Tivo was already a tough sell as they haven't really added that much over the past few years. (I'm not saying I expect them to, but it has given other DVR options a chance to surpass the options available to Tivo, eg the Channels app).And we all know how well TiVo has done in its past calculations.
edit: I should add (and so not to be seen as too snarky), I'm not opposed to TiVo experimenting with revenue-generation methods, even something like here--it's just, to do so smartly and to not alienate the customer base as to why we use a TiVo box.
This would be the smart play, so Tivo won't do it.I use Lifetime 4 tuner Roamios exclusively with 4 minis, waiting for TiVo to offer free dvr service with Ads on my 2 Bolts sitting in the closet and better not see the ads on my lifetimes.
I'm not a lawyer either, but you bring up some interesting points. I don't believe that replacing ads with Tivo's own ads would constitute fair use because Tivo would be receiving income without compensation to the Intellectual Property owner. But getting to the issue of pre-roll ads, your discussion reminded me of the earworm MLB disclaimer that ran before every baseball game I would listen to or watch while growing up:Hmm. I'm not a lawyer but I really do wonder, under the current fair use law that allows consumers to record broadcast TV, what would preclude TiVo or any other company -- that operates independently of the broadcasters and cable TV operator -- from completely cutting out the original broadcast ads and replacing them with TiVo's own unskippable ads. (I'm not saying that this is what TiVo is doing or will do, I'm just wondering what aspect of current law might preclude such behavior.) Seems to me that if the consumer didn't like that aspect of TiVo's DVR service, it would be up to him to switch to a different DVR service. And I can't see how the broadcasters or cable companies involved would have any legal leg to stand on. But then, as I say, I'm not a lawyer and I don't know all the ins and outs of the applicable law.
The CEO was hired to prepare the company for restructuring and to be parted out (currently targeted to be two different entities as I recall). Part of that responsibility is to show potential revenue to make the potential buyers think that buying the company will be a good thing. Ad revenue might qualify as a potential revenue stream.Look no further than the new CEO they hired
I'm getting the pre-roll ads. It does have the appearance of live streaming these ads but it may be going to the HD and taking its time to load. I'm getting the same "blue swirl" connecting to server indication before the advert starts as I get when using any live stream app on my TiVo, i.e., Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc.. Your suggestion may work. I prefer to contact TiVo and get it turned off as I've done today and obtained a case number. We'll see what happens."Enable Video Downloads
Use this setting to enable a box to download TV shows, movies, and other video content from the TiVo service over your broadband Internet connection. Specific program offerings will vary from time to time and may not be available to all subscribers. You can turn this setting on or off at any time without charge. Changes to this setting take up to 24 hours to take effect. Your TiVo box must be connected to the Internet via broadband in order to download video."
I wonder if disabling that will prevent those commercials to be on your harddrive, I doubt it will be live streaming the ads as not all have true broadband speeds.
That (not live-streaming, but downloading ads as part of guide data) would be my guess too (but it is only a guess). And then potentially adding/updating the ad snippets at the next guide update interval to have a small set of ads to show. What ad plays would be randomized, and reported back at the next update cycle. One report was the ad quality was poor, so my guess is that the disk space requirement is very limited (but, again, that is a guess).I doubt it will be live streaming the ads as not all have true broadband speeds.
There is no "fair use law". Fair use is a particular type of exception to copyright law for specific limited circumstances, and home recording for personal use has been deemed one such exception.Hmm. I'm not a lawyer but I really do wonder, under the current fair use law that allows consumers to record broadcast TV, what would preclude TiVo or any other company -- that operates independently of the broadcasters and cable TV operator -- from completely cutting out the original broadcast ads and replacing them with TiVo's own unskippable ads. (I'm not saying that this is what TiVo is doing or will do, I'm just wondering what aspect of current law might preclude such behavior.)
I wonder why they secretly rolled this out instead of sending out an email to subscribers letting them know this is coming?They've already done the math. Clearly, they've calculated that the potential loss of long-time Tivo-customers via attrition vs. the (perceived) upside of creating an ad-based/data mining business model is well worth that risk.