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I’ve read the entire thread and could have missed it but has anyone with a Roamio seen the ads yet or just Bolts? I haven’t got them yet but seems they are coming by reading the articles. I’m not as furious as some people but it does suck. At least we can skip for now but I doubt that will last. I already know that would drive me crazy. Just this week I had an episode not record so had to watch it on Hulu (reg) and couldn’t stand the ads seemed to take so long to watch a show and the same ones kept repeating over and over. It was like torture sigh.


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Just received this response via the case I opened... I'm on a Roamio. I presume it's because I haven't been "upgraded" yet.

Dear Charles,

Thank you for contacting TiVo Email Support.

I see you've heard about our Pre-Roll Advertisements. We appreciate your honest feedback about it...
What about "no problem, we'll just disable the preroll ads on your device within 72 hours"? I guess I'm not surprised.
 

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If I'm understanding the message from Tivo that Charles forwarded correctly, and it turns out to be true, then it'll be easier (much easier in one case) to skip adds on a tivo than it is in either of the two streaming services I'm familiar with.

It would be helpful, at least to me, if when people reference streaming services that they do use instead of tivo, to explicitly state whether they have adds or not. I"m finding it frustrating to look into service x that someone says they use instead of tivo only to find out that service x includes ads, and in some cases, ads that can not be skipped over, or the skipping feature is inferior to that of a tivo. I should probably Google this myself.
I use a combination of Hulu no ads, Philo, and then some shows I buy outright to avoid ads. Like from the CW. Since no broadcast streaming services allow you to avoid ads with the CW shows.

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Not happy, had TiVo since series 2 :) ..now on a Bolt with Hydra, and I pay monthly. I won't pay for service PLUS ads. That's why I use SKIP.
If anyone knows alternative DVRs to look into, please let me (or us) know. Thanks.
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I decided to prepare for the possible taking away of reversion to TE3 and also these new ads. As I mentioned I only have one Tivo on TE4, a Bolt I am using to test TE4 and external 3.5 drives. All my other Tivos are on TE3 (other than S2,S3 of course.) I took a 2 tuner Premiere and put in a fresh 3TB drive. Am going to use Tivo online to transfer recordings from the Bolt to the Premiere (I think using Tivo online you can transfer entire folders, doing direct one show at a time?). Then will most likely revert the Bolt to TE3. Then transfer the shows back to the Bolt. Transferring between Tivos directly better than to computer first then back as that method loses information, channel info for one. Since I have about 2TB on the Bolt it will take awhile to transfer, especially to a Premiere but should work.

My only concern is I would kind of like to keep the Bolt on TE4 for awhile longer. To see if I get the "ads" and if so what I think of them. BUT since they are going to make reversion to TE3 impossible I don't want to miss the window. I would HOPE there would be some notification of when they are going to do it. Not just one day it's done, no warning, "you missed it, too late, welcome to permanent TE4".
 

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If I'm understanding the message from Tivo that Charles forwarded correctly, and it turns out to be true, then it'll be easier (much easier in one case) to skip adds on a tivo than it is in either of the two streaming services I'm familiar with.

It would be helpful, at least to me, if when people reference streaming services that they do use instead of tivo, to explicitly state whether they have adds or not. I"m finding it frustrating to look into service x that someone says they use instead of tivo only to find out that service x includes ads, and in some cases, ads that can not be skipped over, or the skipping feature is inferior to that of a tivo. I should probably Google this myself.
There are nightly sales on iTunes for TV shows and movies. I have an Apple TV now and buy everything I want, when it goes on sale. I use cheapcharts (it's free) to create a wishlist, and get emails when something goes on sale and buy it. I get notifications from cheapcharts when iTunes gift cards go on sale and buy them when they're 15% off. I then watch for sales on external hard drives to download and back up by purchases.

This nonsense in the news about Tivo wanting to run ads before recordings makes getting rid of the Tivo experience, and cutting the cord -- a very easy decision to make. Especially since there are zero ads on purchased movies and television. Also, youtube and other streaming services run smoothly on the ATV, unlike the experience on my Tivo.

Lastly, you can set up family sharing on your Apple TV -- making it so you can share your purchases (content) with your family -- something you can't do easily on a Tivo (if at all -- last I checked, you couldn't).

I've bought Tivos for my family since series 2, and upgraded them, paying lifetime subscriptions multiple times. If these pre-rolled ads are enabled on anyone in my family's account, the decision will be made for me. I'll never buy another Tivo device, and never another lifetime membership.
 

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I'm glad I didn't switch our Bolt to TE4 (I won't call it an upgrade). My only TE4 machine is a Bolt OTA that I use to record OTA sports. Most of the time I stream those through our Bolt so it sounds like that wouldn't be impacted.

If this were completely seamless it probably wouldn't bother me that much. I'm usually skipping stuff at the beginning of the show so it's just one more thing to skip. But as we know, nothing TiVo does with streaming is seamless.

The good news is that this may be exactly the thing to convince my wife to let me cut the cord.
 

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Before everybody goes off the deep end. Believe what you see, not what you hear. And then your call. Now when OTA dies down the line and everyone is streaming...Going into the bunker now...:eek:
 

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I do wish someone with ads would see what servers TiVo is hitting. .... Hopefully the ad server isn't one of the above.
While during early phases things may be different, I would be surprised if the TiVo engineers are so stupid as to make it easy to use dnsbl or firewall blocks (or something equivalent) to block the ads if the intent is to deliver them.
 

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I get it, Tivo has created a new revenue stream because they have not been doing well suing everybody and their brother.
But just because I understand it, doesn't mean I like it or will tolerate it on my machines. Had 1 Bolt on TE3 and 1 on TE4. Now, both on TE3. I may loose auto skip but the skip button works "good enough" for me.
 

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For the record, I don't like the idea of "pre-roll" ads. They go against all that TiVo has meant for me over the 20 years (yes, I bought in 1999) that I've owned TiVos. But I'm not about to blow up my TV eco-system or my mind if they become reality.

Here's the thing. Tivo doesn't pay for the production, and nowhere does it say that Tivo will send this money to the networks, who DO pay for the production.

We have been told that our $15 per month or $600 for lifetime fee is what pays for the Tivo "service". Bandwidth costs to deliver the data have gone down (substantially) and they now own the company providing the guide data, so they should be getting a good "deal" on that now too. As for the cost of software, they haven't updated it THAT much in a year-over-year basis, but I agree, that costs money. Again, that's what I am paying for.

If my cable company can cover the cost of the hardware AND software for $10 a month, why can't Tivo at least cover the cost of software for $15?
I know full well that TiVO doesn't pay for production. I've been in the TV production in one form or another for well over 40 years. But in the scheme of large corporations, TiVo is a small struggling business, and if this is what they feel they have to do (or at least try) in order to keep delivering a product, then let them have a go at it.

I do agree, This scheme is probably a grand mistake. But again, I'm not going to be a an infant kicking and screaming because someone else is making a mistake. What are you really losing, a few seconds of time each time a show starts. Now if they were to start inserting commercials within shows, that's a serious time for me to start considering some action.

For the sake of honesty, I paid $200 for lifetime once 20 years ago, and have not paid since for my primary box (yes a few years of monthly on my first Series 3 HD) and once more for lifetime for my Mini when it first came out, but I've saved a fortune on cable bills due to TiVo. So maybe I don't have as much financially invested as you more recent ToVo customers do.
 

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I am now getting pre-roll advertisements every time I start a DVR recorded show on my lifetime Bolt+. This caught me by surprise. Initially I thought this was part of the DVR recorded show. I tried fast forwarding and the screen went black for about a second then the DVR recording started. After I saw the same advertisement twice for a second recorded show I broke the code and came to this thread to find out what's happening.

I wonder how many thousands of TiVo owners who don't regularly monitor this forum wondered what the heck is going on. I wonder how many don't understand they can fast forward out of the commercial. Not a word from TiVo to me that they'd be changing the functionality of their Bolt. My family finds this irritating and it adds additional steps to get to every recording. I want to opt out of this ill conceived and executed change. I won't buy a TV which makes me watch an advertisement every time it starts and I don't want my DVR forcing this on me.

Calling TiVo customer support when they open today to complain and try to opt out as others suggest.
 

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While during early phases things may be different, I would be surprised if the TiVo engineers are so stupid as to make it easy to use dnsbl or firewall blocks (or something equivalent) to block the ads if the intent is to deliver them.
...although the vast majority of TiVo users wouldn't even know it was possible to do this, much less how to accomplish it...
 

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...although the vast majority of TiVBo users wouldn't even know it was possible to do this, muc less how to acomplish it...
I thought about this but my new router is Google garbage and doesn't allow getting into the minutia of the router's admin to set something like that up, at least afaik. I could be wrong. If the ads are coming from AKAMI, it is possible but I bet the seconds would still click away. But what else would you block if you do that?
 

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You named one. Such a minor one for a box that otherwise is horrible. I got a TiVo because the fios interface is among the worst in the land. Horrible controls on setting up recordings. Unpopulated guide past a couple of days. Slow and clunky. Extremely inconsistent. Horrible closed captioning. But, yes, it may handle slivers of time better. Woo hoo!

Wait. It didn't do it for me. It picked the Schitts creek that is over two minutes ago. Oops.
Oh I only gave one? Hold on, how many did you ask me to give?

Oh right...

Name one.
 

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I am now getting pre-roll advertisements every time I start a DVR recorded show on my lifetime Bolt+. This caught me by surprise. Initially I thought this was part of the DVR recorded show. I tried fast forwarding and the screen went black for about a second then the DVR recording started. After I saw the same advertisement twice for a second recorded show I broke the code and came to this thread to find out what's happening.

I wonder how many thousands of TiVo owners who don't regularly monitor this forum wondered what the heck is going on. I wonder how many don't understand they can fast forward out of the commercial. Not a word from TiVo to me that they'd be changing the functionality of their Bolt. My family finds this irritating and it adds additional steps to get to every recording. I want to opt out of this ill conceived and executed change. I won't buy a TV which makes me watch an advertisement every time it starts and I don't want my DVR forcing this on me.

Calling TiVo customer support when they open today to complain and try to opt out as others suggest.
If possible, could you let us know TiVo's response and, if the ads get turned off, how long it takes? Thanks--
 
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