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So you tested in home streaming. Did out of home streaming work under the previous UI? I'm not even sure the UI is factor in streaming...that's a function of the core DVR code, and really doesn't use the DVR UI at all.
 

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There's obviously some changes "under the covers", either to support the new UI or for other reasons. Otherwise, switching back wouldn't result in the loss of everything.
 

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Out of home streaming has been flaky for many people. I can usually get in home streaming on iOS or Android to work well, but out of home is hit or miss, even on a good WiFi or cell connection. Many, many reports over years of people having problems with out of home streaming. I agree the Hydra UI is irrelevant to out of home streaming behavior.
 

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So you tested in home streaming. Did out of home streaming work under the previous UI? I'm not even sure the UI is factor in streaming...that's a function of the core DVR code, and really doesn't use the DVR UI at all.
Yes I tested in home streaming. And yes we've been using the streaming at our vacation home for the last couple of years without any problems. I am very suspicious that it does have something to do with Hydra that's when it stopped working. Been to busy to call yech support
 

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Imo navigating the Hydra with the vox remote is much easier. You can say the name of a recording in my shows and it takes you to the watchlist where you can simply press play from there. Deleting a recording can be simplified by letting playback end where the popup asks you.
 

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Imo navigating the Hydra with the vox remote is much easier. You can say the name of a recording in my shows and it takes you to the watchlist where you can simply press play from there. Deleting a recording can be simplified by letting playback end where the popup asks you.
Agree. Also So much easier to say "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D" to create a new OnePass than to type and search for it.
 

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I was stupid enough to think that when Tivo released a new UI it would work and not be buggy. And now I don't have the time try and transfer downgrade and retransfer. Instead now I will forcefully call out Tivo on how they realeased a new UI that was not ready. Hopefully in the next couple months they will been able to fix the dozens and dozens of problems the new UI has.
Well T-Day is all over. Now Dean, if you have been with Tivo for so long, you really should have known better than to trust them with a totally new UI. For those like me, who only have one upgradeable host (can't count the XL4, which is not, unfortunately...I really would love SM on it), without a way to go back and keep your recordings, the smart thing to do was to wait (maybe forever...LOL). I love it when people just say to backup/restore, but you can't do that for copyrighted recordings (stupid a$$ Tivo should have always allowed copyrighted shows to transfer between your own tivos since they have the same media key) and then what do you do when you have 90+% used on a 3TB drive?

The Tivo, Inc lovers in here think Tivo can do no wrong as far as software is concerned. Far be it from the truth. I have only been with Tivo since 05/2012. People may forget about all the software bugs in the past that we had to wait sometimes months to be fixed waiting for an update (the latest being waiting for almost 2 months to get QM fixed (deaf, dumb and blind testers)). A whole year of C133 errors. The Rovi conversion. Server problems that affect Local functions and the "wonderful" server(s) that control streaming to devices and other things. And then there are the "design bugs", of which Gen4 seems to be full of. But Tivo, Inc does not think these are design flaws. I have been thru it all with them at almost the top levels in the past. Remember the good ole days when you could get to L2 support fairly easily? Some of them actually had contact with L3, where the design and coding is done. Those days are long gone (except maybe for Ted, although he has not really talked about design flaws yet).

Is there a screen saver in Gen4? Does it have the ability to choose from the last X things played, like the X1 does (9 in their case)? I do not know about other people, but I like to get in and out of Tivo Central a lot while I am watching something. How many clicks does it take to get back to where you were in certain situations? A LOT. But everyone is different. Take the Live Guide. It is GREAT. Part of what made Tivo, Tivo...and they took it out. Ridiculous. How about displaying the YEAR in recordings??? It's in the database. I like to keep things!!! Forever sometimes. And who is sick of losing your resume point if you get out of a recording EVEN 10 minutes before it ends? OR USER OPTIONS!!!

Oh so many complaints, but I would never want to give up all tuners buffering always, or QM or SM or LIVE GUIDE!!! As far as Wishlists and Search and predictive crap, I could care less. I know what I watch!

Well back to my Tivo now. This silly Gen4 keeps me too busy checking it out and keeping me from my Tivo. Some of you absolutely live on here. When do you have time to WATCH TV?????????? :rolleyes::D. I have enough problems keeping up with my TV with all the news that is killing our country and the world (yes, I am injecting Politics in here for a moment because it is very important these days...).

I will say one last thing, something I always say. Many of us do not pay for service since we have Lifetime on our Tivos. But we have paid thru the nose for them. So what actually is their incentive?

Good Grief, look what you made me do Dean...LOLOL. This is what happens when one cannot sleep and sits in front of ones PC before the sun even comes out.

HAPPY REST OF THANKSGIVING WEEKEND. HOPE EVERYONE HAS A LONG ONE!!!
 

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Uh oh. So here we have a multi-page thread discussing the new interface. Whenever anyone says anything bad about it, they're attacked and told that this board is just a small sampling of the user base, and in no way representative of said user base.

But on the other hand, here we have a review that basically calls it lipstick on a pig. Pretty new face, same old problems.
 

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Uh oh. So here we have a multi-page thread discussing the new interface. Whenever anyone says anything bad about it, they're attacked and told that this board is just a small sampling of the user base, and in no way representative of said user base.

But on the other hand, here we have a review that basically calls it lipstick on a pig. Pretty new face, same old problems.
You just couldn't let the review stand on its own. You had to add your mischaracterization of the review.

Actual quotes from the review follow.

Summary
1. Hydra "...is a major improvement, eliminating sources of confusion and helping the actual content shine through."
2. App "...support is still lacking"

"Software steps forward
The Tivo Bolt Vox's biggest new feature is its software, previously codenamed "Hydra" and now just known as the New User Interface."

"The new software strikes a more modern look, trading rounded rectangles and color gradients for sharp edges and solid colors. It's also more visual, often letting you scroll through thumbnail images instead of plain text. More importantly, it provides a much-needed streamlining to the menu system."

"Voice commands are helpful too, letting you jump around the menu system and search for titles, actors, and directors. The remote seldom failed to understand me..."

"TiVo's software still has some rough patches. Transitions and animations tend to be choppy compared to modern streaming boxes, and TiVo's ribbon menu concept-in which rows of image thumbnails appear as you scroll through a column of menu text-can be disorienting compared to fully image-driven apps like Netflix. There's also no apparent way to browse shows by genre while filtering out results from streaming services. And most annoyingly of all, TiVo always reverts to playing live TV when it's left alone in a menu for too long. It really ought to revert to standby mode instead."

"But on balance, the new interface is a major improvement, eliminating sources of confusion and helping the actual content shine through."
 

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You just couldn't let the review stand on its own. You had to add your mischaracterization of the review.

Actual quotes from the review follow.
No, the "mischaracterization" was on your part, and how did I just know you would be the first attacker? Since you enjoyed them so much (had to dig for those cherries, did you?), let's have more quotes. Hey, let's start with the very first words of the article.

"As time goes by, TiVo gets harder to love."

"But while TiVo's recording capabilities are still second-to-none, and its integration with streaming services is still a clever idea, the Bolt Vox's additions only paper over deficiencies in TiVo's app platform and hardware."

And what I am sure was your absolute favorite, ironically right before your first quote:

"Beyond those gripes, I imagine some TiVo enthusiasts will be dissatisfied with design changes in general, and with some particular things like the replacement of the old dual-pane TV guide with a more traditional grid."

And the full version of your second quote:

"It's all the more tragic, then, that TiVo's streaming app support is still lacking."

We can pick cherries and throw them at each other all day, let's not and just finish the same way the article does. As you say, shall we let it stand on its own?

"The TiVo Bolt Vox will mainly appeal to diehard cable subscribers who might not mind the investment in TiVo's hardware and services. But as more people give up cable TV in favor of antenna channels and streaming services, the squeeze on TiVo seems unlikely to let up."

Any attempt to spin this article as positive shows that it was not read, but skimmed for anything that could be used to support one's position. But please, attack some more. I've popped corn.
 

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No, the "mischaracterization" was on your part, and how did I just know you would be the first attacker? Since you enjoyed them so much (had to dig for those cherries, did you?), let's have more quotes. Hey, let's start with the very first words of the article.

"As time goes by, TiVo gets harder to love."

"But while TiVo's recording capabilities are still second-to-none, and its integration with streaming services is still a clever idea, the Bolt Vox's additions only paper over deficiencies in TiVo's app platform and hardware."

And what I am sure was your absolute favorite, ironically right before your first quote:

"Beyond those gripes, I imagine some TiVo enthusiasts will be dissatisfied with design changes in general, and with some particular things like the replacement of the old dual-pane TV guide with a more traditional grid."

And the full version of your second quote:

"It's all the more tragic, then, that TiVo's streaming app support is still lacking."

We can pick cherries and throw them at each other all day, let's not and just finish the same way the article does. As you say, shall we let it stand on its own?

"The TiVo Bolt Vox will mainly appeal to diehard cable subscribers who might not mind the investment in TiVo's hardware and services. But as more people give up cable TV in favor of antenna channels and streaming services, the squeeze on TiVo seems unlikely to let up."

Any attempt to spin this article as positive shows that it was not read, but skimmed for anything that could be used to support one's position. But please, attack some more. I've popped corn.
Thanks for making your position clear. Of the quotes you provided, only one (the elimination of the "live guide") was a reference to Hydra. The main point of the article was that TiVo is continuing to focus on being a DVR and failing to become a Roku competitor in an age where cable subs are declining and streamin is taking over. This is true, but has nothing to do whatsoever with Hydra. All of the points made apply equally to Encore, and every version of the software deployed on Roamios and Bolts from day one. In fact, every other reference to the actual UI was positive.

There are bugs in Hydra, no argument. But the biggest functional one, the problem with V66 errors on Minis, has been fixed. The rest will get cleaned up over time, and new features will start to be added. This release is just a month old. But please...don't let facts get in the way of the complaints.
 
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No, the "mischaracterization" was on your part, and how did I just know you would be the first attacker? Since you enjoyed them so much (had to dig for those cherries, did you?), let's have more quotes. Hey, let's start with the very first words of the article.

"As time goes by, TiVo gets harder to love."

"But while TiVo's recording capabilities are still second-to-none, and its integration with streaming services is still a clever idea, the Bolt Vox's additions only paper over deficiencies in TiVo's app platform and hardware."

And what I am sure was your absolute favorite, ironically right before your first quote:

"Beyond those gripes, I imagine some TiVo enthusiasts will be dissatisfied with design changes in general, and with some particular things like the replacement of the old dual-pane TV guide with a more traditional grid."

And the full version of your second quote:

"It's all the more tragic, then, that TiVo's streaming app support is still lacking."

We can pick cherries and throw them at each other all day, let's not and just finish the same way the article does. As you say, shall we let it stand on its own?

"The TiVo Bolt Vox will mainly appeal to diehard cable subscribers who might not mind the investment in TiVo's hardware and services. But as more people give up cable TV in favor of antenna channels and streaming services, the squeeze on TiVo seems unlikely to let up."

Any attempt to spin this article as positive shows that it was not read, but skimmed for anything that could be used to support one's position. But please, attack some more. I've popped corn.
I think that the tone of the article itself is misleading given the concluding statement that Diana quoted. But I have to agree with Diana: the take-away from the reviewer's assessment of Hydra specifically (as opposed to the TiVo Bolt Vox in general) is very positive. There is nothing equivocal about his characterization of Hydra as "a major improvement."
 

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I'm not associated with TiVo in anyway, so this just my opinion based on 30 years in the software business.

Eventually everyone will be moved to Hydra. At some point it will be too onerous to maintain two operating systems. When that happens is unknown, but it likely won't be anytime soon. But I don't see them keeping both supported forever. In the near term Encore will be "stabilized" and no further development will be done on it (just bug fixes) and in a few years it will become unsupported.
I have no current interest in upgrading to Hydra, and I believe you are correct that it won't be forced on us anytime soon.

But I am reasonably confident that when I do upgrade--possibly in as little as a few months from now--most if not all of the significant bugs will have been worked out and perhaps, just perhaps, some of the valid user complaints will have been addressed as well.
 

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I have no current interest in upgrading to Hydra, and I believe you are correct that it won't be forced on us anytime soon.

But I am reasonably confident that when I do upgrade--possibly in as little as a few months from now--most if not all of the significant bugs will have been worked out and perhaps, just perhaps, some of the valid user complaints will have been addressed as well.
It works 100% fine for me, no problems at all. It was mostly people with minis with the problems and the ones that don't like some of the changes complaining. Just the like the internet, the people that do not like something are way more vocal than those happy. Most people that are happy probably do not even post much.
 

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"stile99, post: 11371010, member: 18118"]Uh oh. So here we have a multi-page thread discussing the new interface. Whenever anyone says anything bad about it, they're attacked and told that this board is just a small sampling of the user base, and in no way representative of said user base.

But on the other hand, here we have a review that basically calls it lipstick on a pig. Pretty new face, same old problems.[/QUOTE]

Then do not get it then and goodbye. I mean 40 posts in 15 years here and all trolling and negative. Sell you Tivo and just go sounds like it is not for you. People can say negative things all they want, just your obviously looking for arguments by some of your remarks.
 
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