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I still use the Tivo software to convert recordings with Roxio. It works even with current Mac OS 10.13. I then stream to my Apple TV. The real benefit is my sewing programs. I can take my computer into my sewing room and follow along or watch something on my own time in another room if hubby is on the big screen TV. We don't have TVs in every room. Just the family room and gym.

I converted a few shows in the Hydra UI before downgrading and they came through just fine.
 

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I don't see where there's anything "Fischer Price" about new TiVo UI. It looks and feels very modern and intuitive to me. It only took a few minutes to learn, which I think is testament to how well it's laid out. And this is from a 50 year old, who's usual first reaction to change is to grumble and moan and call it stupid.
And it now takes three clicks where in the past it only took one. Black screen small type definitely harder to read from across the room. The design team for Hydra should be fired. I've been using it for a few weeks now totally hassled and annoyed with clicks and bugs. I give it a D-, think it's terrible. Give me the old interface with voice and all good. I predict Tivo is going to do a meaculpa in the next couple months and do some major backtracking.
 

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Certainly agree that I have a lot to relearn. In the past I rarely used anything other than TiVo, cursor control, and transport for regular activities.
There seems to be more times I need to access the other buttons, so a little retraining, I will get there...

One example of a pain is when I access devices. After watching and deleting a recording, I drop back to the home TiVo "My Shows", after clicking, 5 times to get back to the device , then searching for where I was... I can watch the next episode, old UI left me where I was as if the remote device was my home and could easily go to next episode.

Speaking of leaving me where I was, I could set up recordings on a remote device. I don't seem to be able to do that now at all, I keep dropping back to home TiVo.

There are also many places I think pressing Play should work but is silently ignored.
Page Up/Down doesn't always work where it seems it should.

I like the episode strip, but feels buggy...... you have to select a program to get the strip to show up, then if you move around a bit, it will collapse - seemingly randomly, but can be reliably on a specific program, or go back up to the filter list and the strip goes away as well, in either case, have to select on a program to activate again - I leave it off for a uniform experience but would like it on all the time.

Bug? Sometimes have to hit select on Continue Watching (most notably after page up, but also seems occasionally random), normally moving cursor up to Continue Watching opens the strip.

Is there a how to - tips/tricks/shortcuts/differences/description for Hydra?
I did find the guide
https://explore.tivo.com/content/dam/tivo/explore/how-to/TiVoExperience_VG.pdf

I am interested in these comments you made, not clear about some of it but would like to learn what I may be missing as easier:
buffer access is a single click - ?
captions on and off - assume you mean here Info + Select, I used to right click to get to this option, so fewer presses now, but have to find the info button :)
getting lists of upcoming Wishlist programs - still looking for this

Overall I am impressed, like it, keeping it, but still getting used to it...
HaVing to find a manual to understand how to use Hydra is just another example of how terrible Hydra is. Buggy, NOT INTUITIVE, a prime example of fixing something that wasn't broken. They should have made the old UI better not assumed they knew better than us what we wanted and designed a difficult annoying bugging user interface and thinking it would be embraced as the next greatest thing. As word of how terrible Hydra is gets out they are going to see sales plunge. Wake up Tivo you better fix both the bugs and the negatives in Hydra or you will pay the price at the cash register.
 

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Oh, and let’s not forget the out of home streaming doesn’t work either. I’ve set up streaming 3 times in the last few weeks and tested it out of house. Nope, won’t connect. Just another example of incompetent people releasing a poorly designed (3 clicks instead of 1), etc product and then releasing it WAY before it was ready. Just so they could say they had Voice! Sheesh Tivo you made the user experience much worse not at all better. Panic time I say panic time.
 

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And it now takes three clicks where in the past it only took one. Black screen small type definitely harder to read from across the room. The design team for Hydra should be fired. I've been using it for a few weeks now totally hassled and annoyed with clicks and bugs. I give it a D-, think it's terrible. Give me the old interface with voice and all good. I predict Tivo is going to do a meaculpa in the next couple months and do some major backtracking.
I hope so. Totally agree with the readability. The TiVo is afterall there to let you watch TV. Doesn't need to be so complex and require so many clicks.
 

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I was able to downgrade my TiVo Bolt Vox and it works fine again. Shall see how long TiVo lets people stay with old UI. They really should make this a UI something you can change on the fly. Give people the ability to go back and forth without deleting everything.
 

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It is very different from the old UI, no doubt about that. But seriously...you judge a UI by how many clicks it takes? I could build a UI so that every possible function required only one click, but the menu would hundreds of items long. Is that preferable?

It actually pretty consistent: Highlight and Select to move forwards, Back to move backwards. All recordings, regardless of number of episodes, are in a folder, with the number of episodes indicated.

I would say it is MORE intuitive than the old UI for that reason alone. It is certainly fresher and more modern. I am in my 60's and wear glasses and I have no trouble reading the menu from across the room (65" TV from ~10 feet away, or 50" TV from ~7 feet).

For someone that has used the classic UI for many years it does mean relearning the UI and how to do your favorite actions. That doesn't mean it is bad, just different.

As a software product manager myself, I'd grade this a B-...the mechanics of the roll out were a bit rough, and there should have been a larger/longer beta with real users. That would have hopefully found the V66 error that has been the biggest issue and soured a lot of people.

I happen to like Hydra, and any suggestion that TiVo will "backtrack" in some way is silly. They have no desire and no reason to go back. The old UI was so 90's in look and feel, it was looking tired next X1, DirecTV, and other DVRs. Rather than complain about it taking more clicks, people should recognize that this is a sign of continued commitment to the TiVo DVR business. They could have cancelled the whole project and gotten out of the business entirely, just collecting license and service fees. This the future...change is hard, but it can't be stopped.
 

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And it now takes three clicks where in the past it only took one. Black screen small type definitely harder to read from across the room. The design team for Hydra should be fired. I've been using it for a few weeks now totally hassled and annoyed with clicks and bugs. I give it a D-, think it's terrible. Give me the old interface with voice and all good. I predict Tivo is going to do a meaculpa in the next couple months and do some major backtracking.
You don't say 3 clicks for what, so no idea what you're referring to, but my everyday tasks seem just as easily accessible as before.

My Shows with old UI was 2 clicks (TiVo/TiVo or TiVo/Select). To reach my shows with new UI is 2 clicks (TiVo/TiVo or TiVo/1). Or just push Down for fast access to a strip view along the bottom of your screen.

The Guide is a single button click with both UI's.

Tuner list is a single click (right arrow) with Hydra, whereas it was 3 clicks before (Info/Down/Right).

I agree that it felt a bit awkward at first, because it was so different, but the feeling didn't last. The bugs are being addressed, with updates already being pushed. Received RC8 a few days ago, with RC9 coming any day now.

Sorry you're so put out with it, but I do not see Hydra as a failure, at all. I'd give it an easy A.
 

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Really, I have to show you? You must not use Hydra much. How about deleting a show that’s now in a folder or just selecting a recording. Duh... Bottom line.... it’s terrible. Just look at the now thousands of complaints! Did Tivo have anywhere near this number of complaints last time they upgraded the user interface? Tivo wake up this is a donnybrook event!
 

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It is very different from the old UI, no doubt about that. But seriously...you judge a UI by how many clicks it takes? I could build a UI so that every possible function required only one click, but the menu would hundreds of items long. Is that preferable?

It actually pretty consistent: Highlight and Select to move forwards, Back to move backwards. All recordings, regardless of number of episodes, are in a folder, with the number of episodes indicated.

I would say it is MORE intuitive than the old UI for that reason alone. It is certainly fresher and more modern. I am in my 60's and wear glasses and I have no trouble reading the menu from across the room (65" TV from ~10 feet away, or 50" TV from ~7 feet).

For someone that has used the classic UI for many years it does mean relearning the UI and how to do your favorite actions. That doesn't mean it is bad, just different.

As a software product manager myself, I'd grade this a B-...the mechanics of the roll out were a bit rough, and there should have been a larger/longer beta with real users. That would have hopefully found the V66 error that has been the biggest issue and soured a lot of people.

I happen to like Hydra, and any suggestion that TiVo will "backtrack" in some way is silly. They have no desire and no reason to go back. The old UI was so 90's in look and feel, it was looking tired next X1, DirecTV, and other DVRs. Rather than complain about it taking more clicks, people should recognize that this is a sign of continued commitment to the TiVo DVR business. They could have cancelled the whole project and gotten out of the business entirely, just collecting license and service fees. This the future...change is hard, but it can't be stopped.
Defending an indefensible position. Arrogance! Pure arrogance! Yes you know better than the thousands of customers who are now complaining. Somewhere Tivo must have had a meeting where they all said let's change the interface for the sake of change. Oh and BTW it's NOT intuitive. A lot of things are harder and the bugs are everywhere. I have sold dozens of friends on Tivo over the years. That has ended. And until Tivo fixes the bugs and flaws I have changed my Amazon reviews to one star. Yes Tivo this was not a good move. Defend it all you want bottom line the user experience was not made better it is worse.
 

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Defending an indefensible position. Arrogance! Pure arrogance! Yes you know better than the thousands of customers who are now complaining. Somewhere Tivo must have had a meeting where they all said let's change the interface for the sake of change. Oh and BTW it's NOT intuitive. A lot of things are harder and the bugs are everywhere. I have sold dozens of friends on Tivo over the years. That has ended. And until Tivo fixes the bugs and flaws I have changed my Amazon reviews to one star. Yes Tivo this was not a good move. Defend it all you want bottom line the user experience was not made better it is worse.
1000s eh? And, of course, no one can disagree with you without incurring the wrath of Dean. And you can read the minds of the designers and other Tivo staff. You are truly gifted.
 

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1000s eh? And, of course, no one can disagree with you without incurring the wrath of Dean. And you can read the minds of the designers and other Tivo staff. You are truly gifted.
I am no longer going to sit on the sideline in silence. And there is no wrath here ("extreme anger (chiefly used for humorous or rhetorical effect)"). I am just very frustrated that Tivo released such an untested and flawed product. Why shouldn't we all be angry? What was smooth and easy to use is now a hassle and hard to use.
You can disagree with me all you want. Are you also going to,disagree with all the other hundreds or thousands of people complaining?
 

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Dean Johnson, at least for now there is a way to revert to the previous UI which is a lot more stable and usable. I could not tolerate using Hydra in it's current form either and have chosen to stay away from it, so why not save yourself a lot of frustration and revert to the previous UI?
 

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Dean Johnson, at least for now there is a way to revert to the previous UI which is a lot more stable and usable. I could not tolerate using Hydra in it's current form either and have chosen to stay away from it, so why not save yourself a lot of frustration and revert to the previous UI?
Easy.. I don't want to give up my recordings. Otherwise I would and then wait six months for Tivo to wake up and fix everything.
 

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Easy.. I don't want to give up my recordings. Otherwise I would and then wait six months for Tivo to wake up and fix everything.
Oh, OK, so sounds like you willingly chose to "upgrade" to Hydra on a unit with a bunch of pre-existing recordings then despite the warnings there was no way to revert back without losing recordings. If the recordings are not copy protected you can download all to a PC and then transfer back once reverted. There are ways of maintaining all metadata when doing it, all predicated of course on whether they are copy protected or not.
 

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Really, I have to show you? You must not use Hydra much. How about deleting a show that's now in a folder or just selecting a recording. Duh... Bottom line.... it's terrible. Just look at the now thousands of complaints! Did Tivo have anywhere near this number of complaints last time they upgraded the user interface? Tivo wake up this is a donnybrook event!
Hydra is by no means perfect, but it certainly isn't terrible. If only there had been some way of knowing what you were getting into ahead of time. Oh wait, there was. Duh.

What kind of reply is that? It's not hate or vitriol it's calling Tivo out on the horrible upgrade they are forcing on their customers. Wake up Tivo before sales plummet and long time faithful cust9mers start to defect. Wake up!
No one has been forced to upgrade. You CHOSE to upgrade. You were informed you would lose your recordings if you downgraded, but you chose to upgrade anyway. There was plenty of information floating around these forums, and elsewhere, as to the look and feel of the new UI, so you didn't go in blind. Now you feel stuck and blame TiVo, for choices that you yourself made.
 

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I was stupid enough to think that when Tivo released a new UI it would work and not be buggy. And now I don’t have the time try and transfer downgrade and retransfer. Instead now I will forcefully call out Tivo on how they realeased a new UI that was not ready. Hopefully in the next couple months they will been able to fix the dozens and dozens of problems the new UI has.
 
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