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The return of Google TV is pushing TiVo away from Android
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Tivo software, as a retail platform, is a dead man walking. They might continue to sell to MSOs and a few TV manufacturers, but they're toast in retail.
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TiVo's big sell for the Stream was integrating their "expertise" in guide data with Android. Their guide data just plains sucks, so they were doomed even before Google TV came out.
Also they say their next product is a Smart TV, but they already tried a Tivo TV and it already failed.
Best Buy announces Insignia Connected TV with TiVo-powered interface
Also they say their next product is a Smart TV, but they already tried a Tivo TV and it already failed.
Best Buy announces Insignia Connected TV with TiVo-powered interface
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They can’t really innovate at this point. Not unless they completely change markets.
They pretty much invented time shifting TV watching (aka DVR), but with pretty much any show now available via streaming and cable TV shifting to IPTV, that’s more or less dead, or at least dying.
They jumped into the streaming market way too late to ever market a profitable device.
They pretty much invented time shifting TV watching (aka DVR), but with pretty much any show now available via streaming and cable TV shifting to IPTV, that’s more or less dead, or at least dying.
They jumped into the streaming market way too late to ever market a profitable device.
So the brainboxes that are (trying to) run Tivo these days, actually think that besides the proprietary smart TV operating systems in TV's like Samsung & Vizio, AND TV's that use the Roku, Firestick or Android operating system, as well as the fact Xfinity is looking at licensing it's X1/FLEX operating system to TV makers...actually think there's room in the TV retail space, for their (very) 2nd rate operating system, that they could actually compete with at this point? Really, REALLY??? Talk about delusions of grandeur... 
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Xperi, realizing that they cannot out-Google Google in relevant/related search results with Google's new Google TV UI, have decided, yet again, to pivot.
Xperi has enough money to keep pivoting (thrashing?) around for a bit longer in the consumer space, but at some point they are going to have to stop the trashing, and focus on the core IP and the MSO markets, and move the consumer space into a sustaining mode (riding the shrinking revenue stream to the end).
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The current company is not TiVo. They took over the TiVo we loved and ran it into the ground.Why are people so hostile about TiVo like they personally attacked/offended you? It's just like any other product reaching its end of life, that's all. Get over it.
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In the consumer space, TiVo decided to litigate when they could no longer out-innovate. That was arguably a pure unforced error by the previous "they" (although it is not atypical when a smaller company faces bigger, well capitalized, companies entering their market) and was the beginning of the end. In the consumer space, OTT/Streaming/on-demand has just been piling on when TiVo was already down, but that change in consumer consumption would have been sufficient on their own to eliminate the consumer DVR marketspace.
TiVo decided to pivot to being a company focused on MSO customer intelligence and content presentation (i.e. STBs) rather than being a consumer solution, because, as Willie Horton said, "that is where the money is".
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This is true. But the real death spiral started when Rovi bought them out. I dealt with Rovi when the use to own MainConcept and they were horrible then too. They're basically just glorified patent trolls.
I tried streaming with my TiVo, but it was very slow to load the apps and load the movies. I bought a Roku Ultra and never looked back. I use my TiVo for what it was good at, time shifting tv. Now there are too many programs without the skip function on network tv.
All the clingers that are butt hurt they never got the Stream app to ditch the Mini's plus the latest and greatest streaming apps or just better apps in general, and blah blah blah. It's amazing the vitriol people have. In TS4k thread they're just brutal. And any dissenting opinion gets vilified, and you're a Tivo employee or shill. It's quite comical.Why are people so hostile about TiVo like they personally attacked/offended you? It's just like any other product reaching its end of life, that's all. Get over it.
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except many of us were using VCRs to do exactly the same thing long before Tivo. Yes, Tivo made it much better.
and I *do* use streaming, but I do that IN ADDITION to Tivo. someone COULD make streaming almost as good as a Tivo (never quite there as ff/rewind is always better locally).. But streaming doesn't (1) provide good info about when shows are going to expire.. I can and have watched shows YEARS later on my Tivo.. (2) let me play faster than realtime. I know this is an edge case for most people, but I think lots of people listen to podcasts faster than realtime, this is basically analogous.. (for news/documentary/some reality in my case.. the only 'scripted' show I do it with is SNL, and even that often closer to 1x speed than the other kinds of show). (3) the insistence that it go to the next show and even skip the credits. All of the streaming services seem to have this kind of insanity.
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Prior to Tivo there was no way to watch a recorded show on a delay while the show was being recorded. Also the only way to watch a recording while another show was being recorded was to have more than one VCR.
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Yep, Tom Rogers both saved TiVo and largely sealed its fate. They've had some opportunities to change the consumer trajectory, but they zigged where they should have zagged (in my estimation, of course). In recent years, half a dozen CEOs and two mergers/acquisitions with divergent visions hasn't been helpful.
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"Could of, should of, would of". I do wonder if there was any possible choices that would have ended up producing a long term viable consumer offering and partnership (the only one I can think of requires MSOs to offer the Android version of TiVo(*) which would allow TiVo to utilize the Operator Tier, which would have solved many different issues, but would have substantially reduced the revenue stream to TiVo, but would have also required TiVo not to litigate(**), and I am still not convinced that streaming/on-demand/OTT would not ultimately killed any pure consumer product(***) even in that case).
I still have and use a TiVo, and still recommend it for very very targeted clients, but for most clients I now have to recommend alternatives. That is a great sadness, in many ways, but my responsibility is to recommend the best alternative, not what I wish things to be.
It was good to know TiVo (as a consumer product), but it's end is approaching. It was a good ride.
Yes, this sounds like an eulogy for the TiVo consumer product. And perhaps it is. But, just as with any good New Orleans funeral, we should celebrate the value of the life and the positives and the contributions, not the death, of the consumer TiVo product.
(*) Or possibly as an RDK UI skin.
(**) Which killed any possible collaborations
(***) Which may kill "cable" and "OTA" as we know it.
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