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Going to go ahead and create a full season thread.

WOW, the new season definitely started out with an extremely dark and heavy episode. Anger, guilt, suicide! I fully expected Isaac to be gone from the show after he killed himself.

The only light moment was when Gordon was piloting the new shuttle and the new ensign was piloting the drones.

Also, this episode was way longer than previous episodes. Over 1 hour (without commericals).
 

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Since they are streaming, I noticed they threw in one bull sh*t. Norm Macdonald is still the voice of that blob character. I don't know how many episodes were completed before he died.
 

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It looks like they finished shooting this season last August and Norm passed away in September.
 

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Also, this episode was way longer than previous episodes. Over 1 hour (without commericals).
When shows go from broadcast to streaming, the writers and directors often comment that they enjoy the freedom to use whatever time they need to tell their story, be it 45 minutes or 75 minutes, rather than force the procrustean fit into a network time slot. I thought these guys went a little overboard with their newfound freedom, however. They could have cut plenty out of that episode without harming it any.
 

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I fully expected Isaac to be gone from the show after he killed himself.
Me too. I rewatched all of S01 and S02 during the last week and I had been thinking to myself that one thing they hadn't taken from TNG is having a main character die. Then Isaac went and killed himself and I thought, well: there they go...

I am a little unclear why they did so many upgrades to the sets/costumes. Even Isaac looks slightly different, which makes no in-universe sense...

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Me too. I rewatched all of S01 and S02 during the last week and I had been thinking to myself that one thing they hadn't taken from TNG is having a main character die. Then Isaac went and killed himself and I thought, well: there they go...

I am a little unclear why they did so many upgrades to the sets/costumes. Even Isaac looks slightly different, which makes no in-universe sense...

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Two Words: Increased Budget. That said, I enjoyed this episode. It was more of what I'd been looking for from this show. I'm sure some of the raunchiness will come back, but I hope not, or at least in very small doses.

This was an interesting episode and darker than I expected. I loved the idea of (as I did in Strange New Worlds and Babylon 5 before any of those) of diving into a gas giant planet to get rid of an enemy ship persuing our heroes. At this rate it's going to become a trope if it's not one already.

I was glad to see the disension among the crew regarding Issac and hope it continues throughout the season.
 

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It looks like they finished shooting this season last August and Norm passed away in September.
I heard McFarlane confirm that McDonald had recorded all his lines for this season before he passed.


Lots of Starship Porn in this episode.
Also, was I the only one who thought that it was incredibly reckless for them to be holding the Pteradon's combat test in the middle of the Orbital Shipyard?

That said, I agree that this episode took a dark turn with Isaac committing suicide.

Not sure what role Burke is supposed to filing her though, even if Anne Winters is now a series regular.
 

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I heard McFarlane confirm that McDonald had recorded all his lines for this season before he passed.


Lots of Starship Porn in this episode.
Also, was I the only one who thought that it was incredibly reckless for them to be holding the Pteradon's combat test in the middle of the Orbital Shipyard?

That said, I agree that this episode took a dark turn with Isaac committing suicide.

Not sure what role Burke is supposed to filing her though, even if Anne Winters is now a series regular.
No, you weren't the only one who thought the Pteradon testing should've occured in a less crowded enviroment. I was thinking teh same thing.
 

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I guess that they thought that Gordon was the best choice to test pilot the new starfighter seeing how in combat situations he has flown the Orville a starfighter. It definitely was a darker than usual episode. I was surprised that they didn't put up the suicide prevention psa at the end of the credits. Ensign Burke is the new navigator seeing how Lamarr got promoted to chief engineer. As for Burke's distain for Issac, I think it will eventually diminish once she sees that he is much more than the sum of his parts and how many members of the crew consider him as part of the larger family that comprises the crew. It should be interesting to see if they try to adapt some of the recovered Kalon technology to the fleet.
 

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I really wish space operas like this would stop trying to make us believe that ships in outer space can fly like a plane inside of an atmosphere. The Expanse is one of the few Sci-Fi shows that are even close to reality when it comes to space flight. Everything from Star Wars to Star Trek totally defy Newton's laws. Granted, it's much less entertaining, but it's just absolutely ridiculous to think spaceships can actually fly like that in a vacuum.
 

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I don't think it's a question of whether spaceships could fly like that---with antigravity and whatever they're using for thrusters, I don't see any reason to believe that they couldn't fly any way they wanted. The real thing, IMO, it that they don't need to fly the same way that atmospheric craft do.
 

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I really wish space operas like this would stop trying to make us believe that ships in outer space can fly like a plane inside of an atmosphere. The Expanse is one of the few Sci-Fi shows that are even close to reality when it comes to space flight. Everything from Star Wars to Star Trek totally defy Newton's laws. Granted, it's much less entertaining, but it's just absolutely ridiculous to think spaceships can actually fly like that in a vacuum.
Target demographic is the only thing that matters. The general public wants to see things fly like an aircraft, not a technically accurate depiction of a space craft.
 

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Target demographic is the only thing that matters. The general public wants to see things fly like an aircraft, not a technically accurate depiction of a space craft.
Keep in mind also that some writers learned everything they think they know about science from watching previous Sci-Fi shows. Combine that with directors routinely ignoring any advice they get on technology and it's a miracle when anything changes.
 
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