Yeah, but that's pretty common...e.g. a rapist having a female attorney, or a racist having a Black one. I guess it shows (or at least is meant to show) that the defendant can't be THAT bad if one of the victims' type is willing to defend him.
The Handmaid's Tale - S04E08 "Testimony"
Hard to believe that it's Saturday and no thread yet. So I guess I'll start it.
If anyone needed a series recap, this episode provides it.
An interesting episode IMO. June definitely corrupts anything she's involved with. But you can't argue about her feeling the rage she does, and knowing other women do too. I think Moira has been helping the group, but more in suppressing the feeling rather than facing them head on.
I can't say that I was surprised by who Irene turned out to be, and what happened with her. On a side note, I had an Aunt Irene, who recently passed so the name had significance to me.
Lydia and Jeannine are going to be an interesting side story. Will Lydia be able to gaslight her, or will Jeannine find a way out?
I thought Fred having a woman attorney is a weird choice, considering what he feels about women and what June recounted to the court.
Who knew there were so many supporters of Gilead in Canada. Where were the counter protesters?
If anyone needed a series recap, this episode provides it.
An interesting episode IMO. June definitely corrupts anything she's involved with. But you can't argue about her feeling the rage she does, and knowing other women do too. I think Moira has been helping the group, but more in suppressing the feeling rather than facing them head on.
I can't say that I was surprised by who Irene turned out to be, and what happened with her. On a side note, I had an Aunt Irene, who recently passed so the name had significance to me.
Lydia and Jeannine are going to be an interesting side story. Will Lydia be able to gaslight her, or will Jeannine find a way out?
I thought Fred having a woman attorney is a weird choice, considering what he feels about women and what June recounted to the court.
Who knew there were so many supporters of Gilead in Canada. Where were the counter protesters?
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Just watched this episode last night...
Luke is really having a difficult time figuring out how to re-establish his relationship with June, and she isn't making it any easier... I don't know if this marriage is savable... She keeps using sex as a means of derailing any serious discussion to try and help Luke understand what she's gone through, and he seems to be very open to trying to understand and support her (hell, he took in and cares for her child from another father)...
Aunt Lydia is a mess... And now the one person that she "loves and cares for" (if I can even characterize it that way) is the one person she has been asked to punish her... You can tell that she is torn on this matter... With all the girls on their knees washing the floors, I was absolutely expecting Aunt Lydia to show them the boot and take them out with a swift kick to the jaw, or a leg stab to the gut...
During June's testimony, I was expecting the camera to pan to Luke and the Waterfords to get their facial and body language reactions to her testimony...but I guess they made the creative decision to just focus on the anger and emotion in June's face...
IDK how to feel about the Gilead "aunts"... Were they also victims that were forced to play a role in the Gilead social structure? Were Aunt Irene's actions part of what she had to do to "survive" Gilead? I guess you could reluctantly play the role and face "the wall" if you are caught not playing out your full responsibilities... Or you could embrace it as a means to try and thrive in this society that you feel you cannot change... Ugh... What she did was reprehensible... But I guess you have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you can really judge their actions? But if she was in survival mode, she could have looked the other way on reporting her lover to "the eyes"...
And yes, I was surprised that there was such a shadow following for Gilead when I saw the Waterford's advocates chanting their support for them... Maybe they need to spend some time in Gilead to understand what they are even supporting...
Luke is really having a difficult time figuring out how to re-establish his relationship with June, and she isn't making it any easier... I don't know if this marriage is savable... She keeps using sex as a means of derailing any serious discussion to try and help Luke understand what she's gone through, and he seems to be very open to trying to understand and support her (hell, he took in and cares for her child from another father)...
Aunt Lydia is a mess... And now the one person that she "loves and cares for" (if I can even characterize it that way) is the one person she has been asked to punish her... You can tell that she is torn on this matter... With all the girls on their knees washing the floors, I was absolutely expecting Aunt Lydia to show them the boot and take them out with a swift kick to the jaw, or a leg stab to the gut...
During June's testimony, I was expecting the camera to pan to Luke and the Waterfords to get their facial and body language reactions to her testimony...but I guess they made the creative decision to just focus on the anger and emotion in June's face...
IDK how to feel about the Gilead "aunts"... Were they also victims that were forced to play a role in the Gilead social structure? Were Aunt Irene's actions part of what she had to do to "survive" Gilead? I guess you could reluctantly play the role and face "the wall" if you are caught not playing out your full responsibilities... Or you could embrace it as a means to try and thrive in this society that you feel you cannot change... Ugh... What she did was reprehensible... But I guess you have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you can really judge their actions? But if she was in survival mode, she could have looked the other way on reporting her lover to "the eyes"...
And yes, I was surprised that there was such a shadow following for Gilead when I saw the Waterford's advocates chanting their support for them... Maybe they need to spend some time in Gilead to understand what they are even supporting...
What completely yanked me out of the story in that moment was the lack of counter-protestors...who, from everything we've seen, should have vastly outnumbered the pro-Gilead crew.And yes, I was surprised that there was such a shadow following for Gilead when I saw the Waterford's advocates chanting their support for them... Maybe they need to spend some time in Gilead to understand what they are even supporting...
The show in general reflects a lot of worries in todays political landscape. I suspect the lack of counter protestors is a statement reflecting of a lot of people today ignoring whats going on around them.What completely yanked me out of the story in that moment was the lack of counter-protestors...who, from everything we've seen, should have vastly outnumbered the pro-Gilead crew.
IE Low voter turnout by democrats in previous elections being one example
People think that a certain radical faction is just a little thing until they are not.
Yeah, but whenever "those types" turn out to protest, the other types turn out (usually in much larger numbers) as well. So this reflects neither their world nor ours. Or any plausible world.The show in general reflects a lot of worries in todays political landscape. I suspect the lack of counter protestors is a statement reflecting of a lot of people today ignoring whats going on around them.
IE Low voter turnout by democrats in previous elections being one example
People think that a certain radical faction is just a little thing until they are not.
It's also Canada and not in a Hockey arena!Yeah, but whenever "those types" turn out to protest, the other types turn out (usually in much larger numbers) as well. So this reflects neither their world nor ours. Or any plausible world.
I agree that in real life, there would absolutely have counter protesters at the Waterford’s exiting from the building...
The only thing I can think of that justifies this scenario is that they needed the overwhelming support for them as a storytelling tool... And using that overwhelming support as a trigger for the look of confidence from Fred, and Serena decision to take his hand taking his hand...
The only thing I can think of that justifies this scenario is that they needed the overwhelming support for them as a storytelling tool... And using that overwhelming support as a trigger for the look of confidence from Fred, and Serena decision to take his hand taking his hand...
I don't even like June anymore.
This is getting hard to watch.
This is getting hard to watch.
I think that is by design... I think most viewers are finding her unlikeable this season... I was having this conversation with my wife this morning...I don't even like June anymore.
Yeah...when people IN THE SHOW keep pointing out her flaws, you know it's deliberate.I think that is by design... I think most viewers are finding her unlikeable this season... I was having this conversation with my wife this morning...
Well she has serious PTSD. She also reached the point where she is essentially suicidal and did not want to go back to any sense of normalcy for all the guilt of everybody left behind.I think that is by design... I think most viewers are finding her unlikeable this season... I was having this conversation with my wife this morning...
Suddenly she can now tell everybody to Go F themselves. I can get it!
Interesting... I was expecting 13 episodes this season, but it looks like we're getting 10.
So only two more to go to bring season 4 to a close... Season 5 has been committed to...so we have that to look forward to...
So only two more to go to bring season 4 to a close... Season 5 has been committed to...so we have that to look forward to...
Once I saw that Elizabeth Moss was the director of this episode, that choice made sense.During June's testimony, I was expecting the camera to pan to Luke and the Waterfords to get their facial and body language reactions to her testimony...but I guess they made the creative decision to just focus on the anger and emotion in June's face...
I agree with the others that the scene with the supporters of the Waterfords was just completely out of place. If people in Canada are supportive of Gilead, I don't think there's any reason they couldn't just move there. I'm sure Gilead would be very welcoming of new people moving in.
You could say the same thing about Republicans in California. They enjoy the things they have.Once I saw that Elizabeth Moss was the director of this episode, that choice made sense.
I agree with the others that the scene with the supporters of the Waterfords was just completely out of place. If people in Canada are supportive of Gilead, I don't think there's any reason they couldn't just move there. I'm sure Gilead would be very welcoming of new people moving in.
That's covered in The Testaments, the sequel novel that from what I understand is going to be a series itself.IDK how to feel about the Gilead "aunts"... Were they also victims that were forced to play a role in the Gilead social structure? Were Aunt Irene's actions part of what she had to do to "survive" Gilead? I guess you could reluctantly play the role and face "the wall" if you are caught not playing out your full responsibilities... Or you could embrace it as a means to try and thrive in this society that you feel you cannot change... Ugh... What she did was reprehensible... But I guess you have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you can really judge their actions? But if she was in survival mode, she could have looked the other way on reporting her lover to "the eyes"...
But long story short yes, they either joined Gilead or were executed.
Nope, sadly, this has become a series that I'm still watching but don't like as much as I used to. So I'll watch when I get a chance, probably over the weekend. The first two seasons I binged, because I didn't have Hulu at the time, and the 3rd I watched religiously the day it dropped or very soon there after. This season, the only reason why I'm watching as soon as I do is because it's summer, and there's not a lot on. It's still better than a lot of stuff on TV, but it's lost it's luster a bit as the story just gets more and more implausible.I am the only one who is counting days and hours until the next episode?
OOps, already answered above.IDK how to feel about the Gilead "aunts"... Were they also victims that were forced to play a role in the Gilead social structure? Were Aunt Irene's actions part of what she had to do to "survive" Gilead? I guess you could reluctantly play the role and face "the wall" if you are caught not playing out your full responsibilities... Or you could embrace it as a means to try and thrive in this society that you feel you cannot change... Ugh... What she did was reprehensible... But I guess you have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you can really judge their actions? But if she was in survival mode, she could have looked the other way on reporting her lover to "the eyes"...
the next book, the testaments, goes into this quite a bit, but yes, the Aunts were forced into their role - or be put to death
There's so much being set up for the Testaments in this season. IOW when that series will appear, and if it will be a part of this series or it's own entity.OOps, already answered above.
the next book, the testaments, goes into this quite a bit, but yes, the Aunts were forced into their role - or be put to death
This episode took a big turn from that at the end. She opened up about the last time she saw Hannah.Just watched this episode last night...
Luke is really having a difficult time figuring out how to re-establish his relationship with June, and she isn't making it any easier... I don't know if this marriage is savable... She keeps using sex as a means of derailing any serious discussion to try and help Luke understand what she's gone through, and he seems to be very open to trying to understand and support her (hell, he took in and cares for her child from another father)...
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