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If the same news comes out about Jane Wickline all will be right with the world but I fear it won't.
This! You can see they are trying with her. She got more screen time later last season and even got her own bit on WU. She's not funny, but she probably appeals to the YT, Tik Tok crowd, so she'll stay.
 
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Two writers are leaving. Notable because one is writing partner of Bowen, leading to speculation he may leave. And the other is a part of the WU writing team.

 
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If the same news comes out about Jane Wickline all will be right with the world but I fear it won't.
This! You can see they are trying with her. She got more screen time later last season and even got her own bit on WU. She's not funny, but she probably appeals to the YT, Tik Tok crowd, so she'll stay.
Her mom was Lorne's PA for years. Nepo hire. She's not very good, but he's going overboard to keep her.
 
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BREAKING NEWS - getting jobs in Hollywood based on who you know or who you’re related to! Scandalous!

One member of PDD has no direct connections. Another is the son of a SNL writer/producer in the 90’s (wrote with Adam Sandler). The last is the son of a writer, producer, the announcer of Jimmy Fallon’s talk show and is also the nephew of Chris Elliot, who’s the father of past cast member Abby Elliott (so he’s also her cousin).

Other direct family hires include Jim Belushi and Peter Akroyd.

And Mya Rudolph and Julia Louis Dreyfus probably wouldn’t have gotten nearly the chances they did without their famous and rich/connected parents. Not to mention the throngs of writers from well-off families who sent their kids to Harvard. (Josh)

I‘m sure there are dozens if not hundreds of people at SNL who have jobs behind and in front of the camera due to personal connections, if not direct family connections.

Calling out Wickline and PDD is ridiculous.

That‘s Hollywood, baby.
Nothing wrong with GETTING a job due to connections. There is lots wrong with KEEPING a job you don't deserve thru connections. This is no different than when the boss's son or daughter is hired. If they prove themselves, eventually nobody cares. When they're an effing idiot, everyone knows why they still have their job. It's demoralizing.


Just because you and some others here on this teeny tiny internet board don’t like them, doesn’t mean they don’t bring some value.

Lorne is not dumb. He doesn’t give on air time to the daughter of a one-time personal assistant just because.
Go read the "LiveFromNewYork" reddit, with over one million subscribers. She is continuously ridiculed for her lack of ability. There are memes on her.

Lorne is human.
 
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Go read the "LiveFromNewYork" reddit, with over one million subscribers. She is continuously ridiculed for her lack of ability. There are memes on her.
That's not surprising to me, but I know I'm in the minority in regards to Wickline. She's definitely green, but I'd be curious to see her with another season's experience. Deadpan humor almost always appeals to me, I'd much rather see her than cast members like the overused Heidi Gardner who, like Amy Poehler before her, has a hard time hiding that she thinks she being funny when I'm not even cracking a smile. I guess I've always liked the characters that have drawn the most ire, going back to the Andy Kaufman days.
 
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That's not surprising to me, but I know I'm in the minority in regards to Wickline. She's definitely green, but I'd be curious to see her with another season's experience. Deadpan humor almost always appeals to me, I'd much rather see her than cast members like the overused Heidi Gardner who, like Amy Poehler before her, has a hard time hiding that she thinks she being funny when I'm not even cracking a smile. I guess I've always liked the characters that have drawn the most ire, going back to the Andy Kaufman days.
Me too. I like Wickline enough to want to see more. I hate to make this comparison, because I don't want to possibly disparage one of my faves, but maybe an Aubrey Plaza vibe. If any of you dis Aubrey, you are dead to me. I'm willing to give Jane a chance.
I guess I'm dead to you. Plaza, to me, is vastly overrated.

As I said, at least Wickline has some appeal, as I said earlier to the younger demo who I guess, find irony funny. She's there to draw in the younger demo. That's fine. I don't find a lot of modern humor funny, more cringe worthy to me (BTW, I'm sure my dad, who was a fan of the Borcht Belt comedians, who told one liners and double entendres, thought the humor I thought was funny in the 1970s and 1980s was not very funny). Tastes change. I don't find Wickline, or the guys on PDND funny at all, but I suppose there are people who do. Just like the same people who enjoy Bruce Springsteen's music, might not like JayZ.

And the same goes with any professional in entertainment where everyone has different tastes. It's not measurable like a baseball statistic so it's hard to say who's good. We form our own opinions.
 
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Please Don't Destroy are done-ish...

From thesnlnetwork on Threads: "BREAKING: PDD to spilt on SNL with Ben Marshall promoted to cast member, John Higgins departing the SNL writing staff after 4 seasons, and Martin Herlihy remaining as writer"

Marshall is one of 5 new featured players:
 
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Out of the three, good choice keeping the least nepo one in front of the camera. I just saw him on S2 Poker Face.
“Least nepo”? He has zero family connections to SNL past or present, or, to show business in general it would seem.

And do your prefer him because he’s “least nepo” or because you find him the most talented?
 
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He's still nepo because he was school friends with the other two, but at least it's not familial (which makes it the least). And I do think he's the best on screen - he has the Conan O'Brien look.
Got it. Thanks for clarifying. I neglected to take into account his “Conan look”.

(he only went to the same school as one of them, two years apart… luckily that’s not enough of a cardinal sin to you)
Regardless of their nepo status, they were terrible and I'm glad we won't have to watch that junk anymore. We'll see how the one guy does as a featured player.
 
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Got it. Thanks for clarifying. I neglected to take into account his “Conan look”.

(he only went to the same school as one of them, two years apart… luckily that’s not enough of a cardinal sin to you)
That's a bizarre east/west coast ethic you have that I'm unfortunately all too familiar with. Favoritism is only "the way of the world" when the world allows it to be because they fear they can't compete on their own merits. It allows some to take more resources out of society than they put into it, contributing to it's deterioration.

Maybe I can help you feel better telling you what you want to hear by typing out "Yay corruption!!!".

BREAKING NEWS - getting jobs in Hollywood based on who you know or who you’re related to! Scandalous!
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Other direct family hires include Jim Belushi and Peter Akroyd.
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That‘s Hollywood, baby.
And they both totally sucked, but thanks for educating us naive hillbilly hayseeds about your sophisticated ways of the world.
 
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That's a bizarre east/west coast ethic you have that I'm unfortunately all too familiar with. Favoritism is only "the way of the world" when the world allows it to be because they fear they can't compete on their own merits. It allows some to take more resources out of society than they put into it, contributing to it's deterioration.

Maybe I can help you feel better telling you what you want to hear by typing out "Yay corruption!!!".



And they both totally sucked, but thanks for educating us naive hillbilly hayseeds about your sophisticated ways of the world.
I'm an East Coaster (who has also lived on the West Coast) and I agree. Don't have to be a hillbilly hayseed to realize they were terrible
 
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We’re not talking about whether they were funny or not, which is subjective based on personal tastes.

We were talking about the pearl-clutching that goes on in this thread about the shocking nepotism apparently afforded to two bit players on a 50 year old show with deep roots to the entire Hollywood ecosystem.
 
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We’re not talking about whether they were funny or not, which is subjective based on personal tastes.

We were talking about the pearl-clutching that goes on in this thread about the shocking nepotism apparently afforded to two bit players on a 50 year old show with deep roots to the entire Hollywood ecosystem.
Uh, that's exactly what was being talked about, along with your refusal to acknowledge any correlation between that and nepotism, which there clearly is.
Of course there's nepotism. There's nepotism in every industry and everyone should take advantage of it when a job presents itself because of it. I've gotten jobs because of it myself at least twice. Nobody is saying anything different. But there's a difference between nepotism when someone is talented and right for the job and (in my opinion) someone who got their job because of nepotism and is just not talented.

You tend to defend the industry at every turn, and I recall you don't have a direct connection to the industry, just a fan (but correct me if I'm wrong). We all know the history of this show. There have always been some great talents and some that are not great and of course that's subjective. These people are human. They make mistakes, Even Lorne makes mistakes. But you defend him like he never has. The industry is filled with both smart and dumb decisions, just like every other industry.
 
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Agreed.

But the PPD guys weren’t plumbers and electricians before Lorne plunked them from obscurity to produce comedy shorts for SNL.

All 3 went to liberal arts schools and participated in sketch comedy and/or stand up.

They formed as a trio years before they were hired.

They are fully competent to produce, write, film and edit their own videos, presumably within short amounts of time and presumably under low budgets and little oversight.

They all have the required skills and experience to make themselves understandable hires for SNL.

Modern day SNL requires pre-produced material, for scheduling/production changes, and for things like repurposing on YouTube. It’s clear they were looking for the next Lonely Island.

On paper, I find it hard to make an argument this wasn’t a perfectly reasonable hire based on what the job requirements likely were.

What stands against them in some minds, then?

“I don’t think they’re funny.”
 
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Going to Arts School and doing sketch comedy doesn't make them qualified. In college I did a sports talk show as a fill in on the local college radio show, but that doesn't mean I'm qualified to do it professionally. I had friends who were in college plays and today one is a lawyer, the other I lost touch with, but he's certainly not in show biz. Plenty of lower end comedians work comedy clubs and never make it to "the show" as it were. You have to wonder if they would have been hired if they didn't have the advantages they had. I think that's a reasonable assumption as well. As far as competent, that's also subjective. I understand what they were looking for, but in this case, I'm not sure they found it.
 
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I saw an article in an actual paper but can't link, to my knowledge, to something everyone can see.

I mention this because it says some people speculated Longfellow would become a Weekend Update anchor. That in my opinion would have been the worst thing they could do. My opinion is Colin and Che are the best anchors they've had since Tina Fey.
 
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I mention this because it says some people speculated Longfellow would become a Weekend Update anchor. That in my opinion would have been the worst thing they could do. My opinion is Colin and Che are the best anchors they've had since Tina Fey.
He auditioned for Weekend Update, and the speculation was that if he didn't get Weekend Update, he'd be gone. He didn't get WU.