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Might as well ask you to turn down your thermostat[1], and turn up the humidity.

[1] Random detail that Silo glosses over a bit, but if you made a ~mile deep bored silo like this, you're likely to have some interesting thermal control problems in addition to having to constantly be pumping out ground water.
Reminds me of this about the Vehicle Assembly Building
 
[1] Random detail that Silo glosses over a bit, but if you made a ~mile deep bored silo like this, you're likely to have some interesting thermal control problems in addition to having to constantly be pumping out ground water.
Yeah, my main living area is only one level plus a loft (there's a basement, but it has a door), and it's pretty much impossible to achieve good temperatures throughout. Can't imagine how much harder it would be with 144 levels!
 
I wonder if the darkness problem some of you have is related to 4k somehow. We don't have 4k, and between season 1 and season 2 of Silo, we changed televisions from an old (2005-ish) 40" Samsung TV to a used (2020-ish) 45" Sony TV, and we've never had a problem seeing the dark scenes on either TV.
Funny now that you say that, I do remember our old 1080p TCL was better than the 4K Samsung as far as dark scenes. Maybe it is something about the 4K.(?) However the OLED beats them both. I get the dark scenes but still get to see the details too.
 
You just reminded me, since Silo is in Dolby Vision, it's not Filmmaker mode I'm watching but Dolby Vision IQ. Maybe that makes a difference since Samsung TVs don't support DV, only HDR10 (or 10+ which I doubt is available for this show). So perhaps that's why it makes a difference with your OLED. Might not be an OLED thing but a DV thing.
I just checked my settings. The OLED is set to isf Expert (Dark, night) and the Roku is set to 4K Dolby Vision HDR TV. I'm not sure if it matters but I have Filmmaker Mode to Auto on. We also watch at night most the time with the lights off, so that's why we chose isf Expert (Dark, Night) vs isf Expert Bright.
 
Actually, at 144 levels, thermal control is relatively easy. Because below 5-10 feet or so, the ground temperature is actually relatively constant for a the next several thousand feet (we know the Silo is around 144 levels, at 10 feet per level (which is under estimating the height of each floor) that's only 1440 feet, or under a quarter mile). This is important because this is what geothermal heating and cooling systems work at - they rely on the ground being relatively consistently around 10C/50F in temperature. (Geothermal systems are also called "ground source heatpumps" - your traditional heatpump/AC being "air source heatpumps"). Though, with the silos so close to each other, it's possible that each one influences each other (It's hard to get the scale).

So the silos would have a reasonable source of constant temperature soil around them. And generally speaking, once you condense that many people together, the heat of all that activity inside will probably raise the temperature quite a bit. It's why malls like the Mall of America don't actually have the ability to heat the building - they constantly run the AC on all year even in the winter. Otherwise the mall would overheat from all the activity inside (though, in winter they probably intake fresh air than actually run the AC to save energy costs since it's already so cold outside).

In general, the cold air is piped to IT, where all the servers heat it up and that warm air is used to warm the silo. Or supposed to be, I presume there are ways to move the heat around.

Of course, the bigger problem is water - I don't know what the water table is like near (spoiler!) Atlanta, GA, but I suspect it's higher so there is a need to pump out water. And also to remove it from the air - that many humans plus plants would make the Silo a really humid place in short order. Especially Silo 17 which should've been completely rusted over.

As for the darkness - I suspect it's more of a TV thing. Most 4K TVs simply cannot display HDR properly. And most people are buying the Black Friday TV specials which are basically garbage at HDR. Sure, they claim to do it, but most computer monitors supporting HDR only do "DIsplayHDR 400", which is marketing speak as it's still basically SDR. Which is probably why those of us watching at 1080p are fine, as are anyone with a higher end setup (OLED and the like). Even though HDR has been around for over a decade, it was only really post-pandemic where the display technology started being able to show it properly - older high end 4K TVs still had issues with HDR, and most of the Black Friday special range are really HDR in marketing speak only.
 
Actually, at 144 levels, thermal control is relatively easy. Because below 5-10 feet or so, the ground temperature is actually relatively constant for a the next several thousand feet (we know the Silo is around 144 levels, at 10 feet per level (which is under estimating the height of each floor) that's only 1440 feet, or under a quarter mile).
I think the issue here is we don't really know how high a "level" is. If it's from one spoke between the central stairs and the outer ring and the next, it's at least 30' per "level".

But they also have shown us residential areas with multiple ~10' levels/sublevels.

But I was thinking it was about 3x as deep as your 1440 estimate, and that's deep enough that you run into noticeable temperature differences.

For a work project we lowered a system as far down in the Quincy Mine as you can access along the old Shaft Two hoist rail, which was around 1200m below level 7 (the lowest non-flooded level, which drains out the adit used for tours. Over that 1200m, it increased for 6°C to 39°C water temperature, so it was getting quite toasty (note that the mine goes a lot lower than that, they report that the bottom of the shaft is expected to be over 50°C).

I guess if I assume ~3x your "level" height, that actually makes the scenes that make Engineering look steamy and warm may actually be somewhat reasonable.
 
True, we don't know how big each level is. But given it's 144 levels, it seems like they cross it within a day or so. In the books a trip from Up Top to the Down Deep is a 2 day affair with a stop in the mids overnight. Going up is more difficult and it's a 3 day trip up. In the show, it seems most people can go from Up Top to the mids in a few hours, and Down Deep would take a day or so.

It's entirely possible that levels are 3 "traditional storeys" tall but that would seem to be more like the books, and 144 floors becomes 432 floors. As a comparison, the Burj Kalifa is 163 storeys.

I am more inclined to think each storey ends at a spoke - so spoke to spoke (on the same side) would be 3 storeys. If a farm or a park wants to occupy two storeys they can.

Not that you're completely wrong - because the power for the generator in the TV series comes from geothermal power which is easy to do by drilling a few more hundred feet down to tap the heat and spin the generator. (The books use a traditional generator with an engine - the fuel coming from an oil well - does Georgia have oil deposits?)
 
That episode was pretty awesome.

My hunch is they know Walker is the source of the leak and the Teddy's mom thing was a rouse.
I don't even think that it's a real person. I think this is how he let her know that he knows it was her (can't blame her for wanting to save her son) and that he understands why she did it. He assumed that she's under surveillance and now will use that to their advantage.
 
Best episode of the series. What the heck is "the Safeguard", and who was that talking?

Can't wait for next week.
I did read the books but I have a terrible memory and don't remember any details. About all I remember is the general story, I don't even remember how it ends (if the world is ok or a total wasteland). Yes, my memory is indeed that bad.

With that said, what I'm about to say is pure speculation, not a book spoiler: I think the mayor gave us a huge hint about there being a 51st silo. What if that silo is the "leadership" silo? the descendants of those who built the silos and are running the whole show?

Another hint we got was about the mayor going into the server room and then coming out knowing what to do. What if he goes in there to get orders from "the higher ups"?
 
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I read the books also. I'm bad about remembering details, but I do recall the broad story lines. My post above "What the heck is "the Safeguard", and who was that talking?" was rhetorical, as I know the answers. But I think for most non-reading viewers, those are HUGE questions going into the finale.
 
Well, those of you wanting fasting pacing in Silo 17 got your wish.

What the heck is "the Safeguard", and who was that talking?
Why do they really need a Safeguard? We've already demonstrated that outside is dangerous, and they can easily vent outside air into the Silo, which would be be pretty effective.

Who was talking? Sounded like the exact same voice as the AI/Computer that Lucas talked to when he got IT Vault access. Which would also easily explain why he knew Lucas's name (and why the door hadn't talked to George; the others all were IT Shadows, George wasn't).
 
Yeah, the Safeguard is scary. I admit this season had seemed a bit slow, but now I'm wondering how it's going to take two more seasons, because it feels like we finally just confronted the Real Bad Guy. The Voice -- human? AI? Alien? The Safeguard -- protecting what, from what? (I'm thinking that the whole Silo would be intentionally wiped out, but... why? To protect the other Silos from being "infected" with the truth? To protect the Voice, or its people, whoever they are?)
 
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I'm wondering how it's going to take two more seasons, because it feels like we finally just confronted the Real Bad Guy.
Basically, we covered Book One (Wool) in these two seasons. Without spoiling anything, and with no knowledge of what the producers actually have in mind, I would guess S3/S4 will cover the last two books (Shift & Dust).

I'm going to spoiler the next part. The 2nd & 3rd books cover (very broad info, no specific spoilers):

Shift is a prequel to Wool, and tells us the how & why of the Silos. Dust is a sequel to Wool, and tells us what happens to Juliette next.
 
I'm halfway through Dust. One needs to remember that Wool is standalone and I really think S2 would end such that if that was it, it would be a satisfactory ending. There may be questions, but what happens in Silos 17 and 18 would be reasonable. And I believe filming for S2 concluded before it was renewed for the final S3 and S4 to finish it off.

Shift and Dust give more backstory and would be the premise of S3 and S4 since they are supposed to finish the entire series with it. I strongly suspect we'll see a lot of intermingling of both books throughout - because the only character we'll recognize in Shift is Solo. I'm a little more than halfway through Dust and it's a fast one. Then I'll have the little "authors supplement" book where there's some essays on the books, which ought to be interesting.

I guess I'll trial AppleTV+ next week so I can finish Silo S2. I got up to S2E5 during the free weekend...
 
So it was George who went to the tunnel last season and to the door. I thought it was Juliette, bad memory on my part. I do recall both George and Juliette were at the level above the water. Not sure why neither of them didn’t let anyone else know about the tunnel.
 
I seem to recall that Juliette went down to the water level, but it was deep (at the very least, not waist-high as in this episode).

Given my bad memory, I could very well be imagining this!
 
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