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I am a Spectrum cable customer with a TiVO Roamio Plus in Lenoir City, TN. 7 weeks now - 6 truck rolls, the last Tuesday with a couple of supervisors and a tech. All because I've had 7 Motorola tuning adapters that won't lock with my TiVO. (The very same kind of box, Motorola MTR700 was on my system and worked flawlessly for years - until last year sometime.) My specific question is, I was initially thinking that all of these tuning adapters were bad, but Tuesday the Supervisor said they are working in the Farragut, TN area, but they aren't "locking on" here. Does the signal of the cable company have any bearing on whether a Tuning Adapter can lock-on with a TiVO? I thought you could tell if they worked, simply by plugging them in and watching how the lights blink/respond.

I know it's an old/ongoing issue, but can find no manual for the MTR700 (I tried downloading one and got computer viruses for my trouble), no indication of what they do them when they are refurbed, no information about what their light blinking patterns mean - I feel totally helpless here. 'Sorry if posted wrong; newbie here. I wanted to post, not start a new thread.
 

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The hardware is not broken.

Your Spectrum employees are stupid and don’t know what they’re doing.

A TA needs to be correctly listed in your account in their system to work. Whoever you’re dealing with needs to learn how to use their own company’s systems.

Stop accepting truck rolls and new hardware and just demand they find someone who knows how to do their job.
 

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The hardware is not broken.

Your Spectrum employees are stupid and don't know what they're doing.

A TA needs to be correctly listed in your account in their system to work. Whoever you're dealing with needs to learn how to use their own company's systems.

Stop accepting truck rolls and new hardware and just demand they find someone who knows how to do their job.
Thank you for responding. They have me questioning myself; I think their intended purpose on Tuesday was to come and "push me" towards their own DVR box. The worst part is, the second TA I picked up myself from my local Spectrum store DID work! It locked right on as soon as I plugged it in. But the Tech that came (because still no SDV channels) called his supervisor, since he couldn't get the channels, and she said they "couldn't talk to that TA" because it was listed as being on somebody else's account. I heard them say things like, that was "supposed to be wiped" when the box went for refurb, and they couldn't add it to my "gateway" because it belonged to someone else. I also possibly heard "AOS" error, not sure. They said to take it back and get another one, since they couldn't talk to it. I was stupid to do that but at the time, I did not know I would go through 5 more TAs that didn't work. Now the guy at the shop doesn't want to give me anymore TAs, says the one that worked only worked because it had been set up for someone else - the shop is in Farragut - and that the only person "complaining about the TAs" is me. I asked if I was the only one using them; he said they have up to 5 people a week coming in for them (???). Seeing all these other bad boxes just made me wonder if what they are telling me is right, and my location's signal is preventing them from locking on. Maybe the other box only worked because it had been used in Farragut... You can bet I went right back to get that box after thinking about it, but it was several days later and their refurb truck had already picked it up. This is why my question above: Does a TA just lock or not based on power alone, or is there something in their signal that allows it to lock (or not)?

BTW, some entity has gone a long way towards making sure you can find absolutely nothing online about the MTR700 and how it works...I've spent the entire 7 weeks of this process researching everything under the sun I could find about it. My next call is going to be to Motorola, my next action is going to be to find a tech to tell me where my own headend is. The supervisor I managed to reach (that was a long research effort in itself) says they are aware of the problem in this area; they've been working on it for a long time but still don't know why so many TAs are bad or why they work in some places and not others. They all assure me their efforts on my behalf are "ongoing".
 

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Thank you for responding. They have me questioning myself; I think their intended purpose on Tuesday was to come and "push me" towards their own DVR box. The worst part is, the second TA I picked up myself from my local Spectrum store DID work! It locked right on as soon as I plugged it in. But the Tech that came (because still no SDV channels) called his supervisor, since he couldn't get the channels, and she said they "couldn't talk to that TA" because it was listed as being on somebody else's account. I heard them say things like, that was "supposed to be wiped" when the box went for refurb, and they couldn't add it to my "gateway" because it belonged to someone else. I also possibly heard "AOS" error, not sure. They said to take it back and get another one, since they couldn't talk to it. I was stupid to do that but at the time, I did not know I would go through 5 more TAs that didn't work. Now the guy at the shop doesn't want to give me anymore TAs, says the one that worked only worked because it had been set up for someone else - the shop is in Farragut - and that the only person "complaining about the TAs" is me. I asked if I was the only one using them; he said they have up to 5 people a week coming in for them (???). Seeing all these other bad boxes just made me wonder if what they are telling me is right, and my location's signal is preventing them from locking on. Maybe the other box only worked because it had been used in Farragut... You can bet I went right back to get that box after thinking about it, but it was several days later and their refurb truck had already picked it up. This is why my question above: Does a TA just lock or not based on power alone, or is there something in their signal that allows it to lock (or not)?

BTW, some entity has gone a long way towards making sure you can find absolutely nothing online about the MTR700 and how it works...I've spent the entire 7 weeks of this process researching everything under the sun I could find about it. My next call is going to be to Motorola, my next action is going to be to find a tech to tell me where my own headend is. The supervisor I managed to reach (that was a long research effort in itself) says they are aware of the problem in this area; they've been working on it for a long time but still don't know why so many TAs are bad or why they work in some places and not others. They all assure me their efforts on my behalf are "ongoing".
No, it wouldn't have worked because it was set up to someone else's account. It needs to be correctly set up in yours.

The people who are trying to help you have no idea what they're talking about.
 

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I agree - they have no idea. I did call Motorola, to get sent to Arris which leads to CommScope - and amazingly, found a manual on what I guess is the older DCT700 tuning adapter. Only it said nothing about what the lights mean on the front of the device. From what I've read in other posts, I think I need a headend refresh to my house, which I will ask the supervisor about next. I just hate being pushed off my TiVO DVR for these crazy, no-knowledge reasons. I'm not ready for OTA (this part of the country is very hilly, so not sure what kind of antenna signal I would get) or just choosing a streaming device yet. I hate being pushed into fragmented, still-developing tech when I'm not ready yet! I still have an old 90's model flip phone, because I dig it. It is 3G and it works just fine for what I want to do with it - which is talk on the phone! The battery takes days to run down instead of hours. Let's face it...you only need a smartphone if you have a network of friends you deal with, which I don't. Price of being an introverted loner. Sorry for the TMI. Thank you for your help.
 

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Blink meaning:
Tuning Adapter Blinking

I've seen it all after decades with Charter/Spectrum. What happened to me most often is they would either remove the TA entirely from my account or disable it.

I'm so happy since I switched to Youtube TV a few years ago and don't have to deal with this nonsense or Charter's bogus fees anymore.

Just so you know, Motorola is no more. They became Arris a few years ago, then CommScope.

Good luck
 

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I can find out how to remove the hard drive from my old Mac G4 with a single search on Google. And not one You Tube video, believe me I looked, on the MTR700 tuning adapter and how its lights blink (patterns)! Not like it would help...

I have the Supervisor's name. They came out 6 times, including him the last time. Tried 7 TAs. Tell me they are "working on it" while simultaneously admitting they have another TiVO customer in an adjoining city whose TiVO "hasn't worked in over 6 months" (but not in rich Farragut, where 'everything is lovely all the time')! This guy's real agenda was showing when he showed up here, and quipped at me for "getting his name wrong" after he had only mumbled it into my answering machine one time. I didn't ask for him when I called to talk to a Supervisor; he is the one they sent me. He noticed I had one of their boxes. I said, "I only got your box to troubleshoot my signal with. I figured your guys could eventually get your box working. And then I wanted to move on to getting the TiVO working again." Then he was all lit up, talking about their worldbox DVR I should get that "works just like that TiVO does". 'Probably time I talk to someone else; I'm letting these guys intimidate me!
 

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Thank you very much for the link for FCC complaints! I did see that thread you were referring to before; I think it is referring to a Cisco TA because that box has a button on the front of it whereas mine does not. I've tried all of those sequences of plugging things in multiple times and it just doesn't work. But like that one, mine is just a yellow blinking light - forever. It never goes solid, no matter what I do. The TiVO says there is no tuning adapter connected (even though deep in the tuner diagnostics, it looks like it is "pending" on loading). So I have wondered if this is an issue with Roamios only, BUT my previous TA worked fine for so many years that I don't think that could be possible.
 

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Thank you very much for the link for FCC complaints! I did see that thread you were referring to before; I think it is referring to a Cisco TA because that box has a button on the front of it whereas mine does not. I've tried all of those sequences of plugging things in multiple times and it just doesn't work. But like that one, mine is just a yellow blinking light - forever. It never goes solid, no matter what I do. The TiVO says there is no tuning adapter connected (even though deep in the tuner diagnostics, it looks like it is "pending" on loading). So I have wondered if this is an issue with Roamios only, BUT my previous TA worked fine for so many years that I don't think that could be possible.
The FCC complaints link is ancient history now that cable card is no longer the law of the land. The FCC can't do anything about it.

This is new information about no TA connected. That's another issue. I'd get a replacement USB cable in that case. It's not a Roamio issue because I also had multiple Roamios that worked fine with Spectrum TA's for years.

Continuous blinks mean disabled on Spectrum's end. They have to fix that, nothing you can do about it on your end.
 

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Thank you very much for the link for FCC complaints! I did see that thread you were referring to before; I think it is referring to a Cisco TA because that box has a button on the front of it whereas mine does not. I've tried all of those sequences of plugging things in multiple times and it just doesn't work. But like that one, mine is just a yellow blinking light - forever. It never goes solid, no matter what I do. The TiVO says there is no tuning adapter connected (even though deep in the tuner diagnostics, it looks like it is "pending" on loading). So I have wondered if this is an issue with Roamios only, BUT my previous TA worked fine for so many years that I don't think that could be possible.
You can plug and unplug all you want - until the device is properly attached to your account by Spectrum it will not work.

You will spend months or years trying to solve this yourself. You cannot. Spectrum must solve this on their end. Period.

Stop worrying what the blinking lights mean. They mean it's not working. Spectrum has to fix.
 

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The FCC complaints link is ancient history now that cable card is no longer the law of the land. The FCC can't do anything about it.
The FCC no longer mandates a cable card be offered.

But they still mandate that the company that sells/rents you equipment can adequately get it working for you.

Just because they don't mandate it doesn't mean the FCC doesn't care if a company is advertising support, actively deploying equipment to paying customers, and then not fulfilling support promises.

The FCC doesn't mandate set top boxes but if Spectrum were renting boxes that didn't function I bet the FCC would care.

Absolutely the OP should file a complaint.
 

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Just learned about the FCC change that no longer mandates support for cable cards. I wish the FCC had at least given consumers a heads up and requested feedback on this before the change. I am moving from MD to NC and trying to get my Tivo added to a new account on Spectrum in NC and the rep told me they no longer support cable cards (because they don't have to). They are trying to push me to streaming services but streaming is thus far inferior to Tivo. I haven't given up and requested a manager to help me get cable card for my Tivo. I'll keep you posted.
 

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Just learned about the FCC change that no longer mandates support for cable cards ... trying to get my Tivo added to a new account on Spectrum in NC and the rep told me they no longer support cable cards
After multiple attempts, Spectrum in Durham NC will not start new service with a cable card. The FCC has effectively killed my Tivo and lifetime service plan. Thank you Ajit Pai. I am not happy.
 

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Thought I would give an update, now that all summer I've made what seems like an infinite number of phone calls, had 6 tech visits (one of the techs twice!), 7 tuning adapters that did not work except for my lucky #3 (the second one I picked up from the local store after the one I had died); it locked in BUT still could not receive SDV channels. So Spectrum told the tech to tell me to "go get another one", because they could not talk to that one from their end because it looked like it was on somebody else's account. Which I stupidly did; since I had only picked up 2, I thought surely I could find another one that worked. But, no. They actually brought #7 from an old Brite House location (with three guys - one Field Supervisor, the Quality Supervisor and another tech) and it still didn't work. I was really irritated with Spectrum not only for all of this, but because their personnel were constantly blaming this on my "Fifo" as one guy called it, and telling me I should "let go of old technology" and get their own World Box DVR. The last straw? I dug deep into FB and Linked In, of all places, to find two other Field Supervisor's names and a higher-up Operations Supervisor's name. I had a phone number on the one I was working with who was doing nothing and only an email address (likely outdated) on one of the others. So I went to the main headend location and to where all the local Spectrum bosses work. They front the place with another store. The two store employees WOULD NOT let me make an appointment with anyone I named, WOULD NOT let me see anyone I named - I really got angry and stood there, just asking more and more things I might be able to do - "Can I just walk back there myself, to find someone?" No, you are not allowed back there. They kept telling me how "they didn't have the power" to get in touch with any of them - all behind the badge-locked door. I said I knew that wasn't true, that even the store closest to me knew all of their names and had all their email addresses and had written in on my behalf before (with no answer). I finally had stood there and yelled for so long, that I ended up leaving a hand-written note with my phone number, listed the 4 people I knew of and said I wanted them to give the note to their Supervisor (who was 'in a meeting'); the note said I wanted one of them to call me that day.

Before I wrote the FCC, I gave them every chance. I called the one I had the number for multiple times without callbacks. I called another one I found the number for (home number); the number had been disconnected. I sent an email to the third, not even knowing if it was a current address. I drove out to my local headend, but people can carry guns here w/o a permit, and the place was surrounded with fence and large "No Trespassing" signs everywhere - even though it was just AN OLD HOUSE, with a giant black dualie pick-up outside and one single Spectrum truck. After driving by glaring multiple times, wondering if I should even try to talk to this guy, I knew I'd better go before the local police showed up. I also cleaned up everything I could think of at my end. I had put it off and put it off (I thought I might screw it up), but I re-did the Guided Set-up on the Roamio just to make sure I was on the right line-up. I called the Cable Card number one more time, and was so angry to discover I had a problem spoken of in these threads many times - they found the equipment on my account 'had been placed in the wrong order', and they were able to fix that - just one more piece towards solving this puzzle. I never even asked them about that, because it was so simple, I thought surely, in all the times I had called them, that would have found a problem like that early on!

I filed the FCC complaint on Aug. 30th. I didn't expect anything, since I am aware of the FCC ruling last September. But on Sept 6, Labor Day, I got two calls from Spectrum in the evening - the first from the "Company Escalations" department in Florida - Who Knew (the number was 855-707-7328) - from some guy who gave me his first name. When I asked for his last name, he said, "We don't give out our last names on a first call" - DUDE, CHILL. The next call was from a local Spectrum manager I had not found before. He asked which field supervisor I had been working with; I told him. He called again the next morning - always assuring me 'this is going to be fixed'. Next I heard from the field supervisor; they wanted to retrieve the non-working TA which was fine by me, so they could troubleshoot it. NOT LIKE I HADN'T BEEN ASKING FOR THIS ALL SUMMER. So, we'll see. I'm frankly shocked; I expected nothing. I think the key statement I used in the FCC complaint - this was just a numbered series of the factual events with as much of my emotion removed as I could manage - was at the end: "As long as they advertise that they are supporting heritage customers with cable cards and TAs, I think they should do so." But the FCC also asks for a solution to the problem. So I gave two: That I've been told there is a systemic problem in this area with TAs from the refurbishing plant in Dalton, GA, but I've also been told that Spectrum 'has nothing to do with that - knows nothing about it'. I said that was not true, that any company of Spectrum's size should have a QA department that has Qualified Vendor's Lists that would allow them to visit the Dalton plant and leverage them to troubleshoot/fix the problems. I also said I had read from a lone person online that their Motorola TA in Le Grand, Oregon was working fine, so I suggested that they ship some TAs from Oregon to here. Anyway, I know I am long-winded but I wanted to get out anything that would help anyone else!

I may get my Roamio fixed, but for how long? I feel terrible for everyone who has TiVOs and moves to another location and try to hook up their cable; they are screwed (they will not be supported).
 

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I don’t think you should expect to demand they visit an equipment partner’s plant in another state.

And equipment from another headend isn’t guaranteed to work either.

I would focus just on having them figure out once and for all how these devices need to be configured on your account within their headend.

These issues are 99% of the time solved by proper setup on the customer’s account.
 

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I filed the FCC complaint on Aug. 30th.
Thanks! You reminded me to come back and report the response I received from the FCC to my complaint. First, here's what I wrote to them:
Complaint to FCC filed on Jul. 31 said:
Hi - this complaint is in response to the rules changes made in 2020 that no longer mandates that cable TV providers support customers who want to use their own DVR with a cable card. Spectrum in Durham NC no longer offers customers the option to start service with their own DVR and a cable card. This means my approximately $1000.00 investment in a Tivo DVR with lifetime service is now worthless. Spectrum is only allowing customers to rent DVR's from them or pay them to stream. This is both anti-consumer and anti-competitive. PLEASE REINSTATE THE CABLE CARD MANDATE.
Here's the disappointing response I received:
Response from FCC on Aug. 2 said:
The FCC appreciates your feedback. Your feedback provides the Commission with valuable information that we use to spot trends and practices that warrant investigation and enforcement action.

Your Ticket No. 4934651 was closed as of today. The information you provided us will continue to be available internally within the FCC to inform the Commission's enforcement and policymaking processes.

Thank you for your inquiry and help in furthering the FCC's mission on behalf of consumers.
 
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