[Sparty99]

This was posted in today's USA Today (the same article also indicates that offers have been submitted for Arrested Development by ABC and Showtime):

Spoiler

For fans of Reunion, which was canceled before the central mystery was solved, it can now be revealed: Samantha's murderer was the illegitimate daughter she fathered with Will (Will Estes).

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-01-17-tca-fox_x.htm

Still not real satisfied, but at least we've got a conclusion.

 

[KRS]

I didn't highlight to read yet since I still have the last episode saved. But I am glad to hear that there is some closure for the fans.

 

[coolpenguin]

I just read that. Very disappointed-they need to elaborate! I was just getting over it and now it's brought back up again. Thanks FOX.

 

[mwhip]

I read this yesterday and it was a huge let down. Since you marked spoilers in the title I am not going to bracket anything.

They said all along "it was a character we have known since the 1st episode" I guess since Sam was pregnant with her that is there reasoning. Kind of stupid.

BTW - Kristin Veitch from E! online is going to reveal all the details in her column Friday or chat Monday. We will know all about Jenna hating Craig and how Craig ended up in the wheelchair.

 

[Sparty99]

I read this yesterday and it was a huge let down. Since you marked spoilers in the title I am not going to bracket anything.

They said all along "it was a character we have known since the 1st episode" I guess since Sam was pregnant with her that is there reasoning. Kind of stupid.

BTW - Kristin Veitch from E! online is going to reveal all the details in her column Friday or chat Monday. We will know all about Jenna hating Craig and how Craig ended up in the wheelchair.

I'll have to keep an eye out for that chat.

I agree with you about the copout. The entire premise was that one of the 6 friends killed Samantha, and that's not the case. Total crap.

 

[ebonovic]

If that is the answer... I am glad they cancelled the show, and didn't actually waste our time with the full season.

I agree that the promotion of the show and the premise was that one of the 6 friends killed one of their own.

And not knowing "why" the daughter would flip out on her mom enough to kill her...

Sure her start to life wasn't that "traditional"... but dang, it isn't THAT bad...

 

[Havana Brown]

Sons of beaches!

 

[TiVoKate]

Retarded.

I hope Fox at least will put the last of the episodes online, like they did with Big Fat Obnoxious Boss... (yes, we watched that.)... another good Fox show was "Skin", that got the boot after about 4 episodes... but then SoapNet aired them all last year so we could finally see everything.

I hate Fox.

 

[AstroDad]

So now my question is why are the others covering it up?

 

[Test]

I knew fox wouldnt give this show a chance, so i didnt...

cant devote anymore time into a fox show that will just be canceled way before its time...

was the whole thing filmed just waiting to be aired? DVD

 

[jsmeeker]

I knew fox wouldnt give this show a chance, so i didnt...

cant devote anymore time into a fox show that will just be canceled way before its time...

was the whole thing filmed just waiting to be aired? DVD

not the entire series. heck, not even a full series was ordered. However, there were a few episodes shot and completed that didn't air.

 

[busyba]

Spoiler

For fans of Reunion, which was canceled before the central mystery was solved, it can now be revealed: Samantha's murderer was the illegitimate daughter she fathered with Will (Will Estes).

Yet another argument in favor of abortion.

 

[ebonovic]

The problem is... this is an attitude that ALL the networks are starting to share...

If the show simply doesn't pull in RECORD raitings during it's premier or with in like 2 or three week... and hole cow if just ONE publication writer doesn't like the show...

Bye Bye....

I mean if this was the case 10,15,20 years ago...

We would not have had Raymond (as it was vote the best show no one is watching)
We would not have had Seinfield (Season 1 got crap ratings)
We would not have had Cosby
We would not have had Friends (Season 1 didn't get blockbuster raitings)

Shows like 7th Heaven (not that it is for me... but heck what it is on it's 10 year now, and had to be "re-born" playing new episodes along with re-packaged re-runs)

Even 24, it had to be "marathonded" 6 weeks into the series, so that people could "catchup" as they where just now finding out how good of a show it was.

Nothing is given a chance any more.

With all the big 4 networks, having no less then 2 "daughter" networks (such as NBC->Bravo, USA; Fox-> F/X, Fox Family; ABC -> ABC Family, any Disney Network; CBS-> Crap the entire Viacom universe)

If it don't cut it for the PRIME 4 networks, move it to a Cable network and let it get some feet.. leave it there or bring it back to the PRIME 4 after all the characters are developed and the writers have sunk their teeth into and got a good grip on what the show should be..


Also.. Neislen has to pony up and get with the times....

DVRs are growing in big numbers, and they have to adjust the raiting system accordingly.
Also with 200+ channels, numbers that where big in the 60's (when there where what 3 channels), simply don't translate to today...

If you look at the Cable Co, you have basically 10 channels or so with "primetime" programming now adays.. .some are not the full 3 hours, but there are "series" shows ever not.

 

[windracer]

Ha, I had totally guessed that! I knew it!

What a letdown, though.

 

[timr_42]

Nothing is given a chance any more.

...

That may be true somewhat, but there are some show that are rebranded on cable, NBC shows Surface on Sci-fi, it has had some of its reality shows(Apprentice, Biggest Loser...) on CNBC. They even reversed it and had BSG shown on NBC a couple of times. ABC has shown some reality shows on ABC Family.

I think that some shows could be used to get a larger following, maybe in the future networks will do a little more of this.

 

[jb007]

Didn't I read somewhere that there were characters that had not been introduced yet that played a role in the murder?

 

[Steveknj]

The problem is... this is an attitude that ALL the networks are starting to share...

If the show simply doesn't pull in RECORD raitings during it's premier or with in like 2 or three week... and hole cow if just ONE publication writer doesn't like the show...

Bye Bye....

I mean if this was the case 10,15,20 years ago...

We would not have had Raymond (as it was vote the best show no one is watching)
We would not have had Seinfield (Season 1 got crap ratings)
We would not have had Cosby
We would not have had Friends (Season 1 didn't get blockbuster raitings)

Shows like 7th Heaven (not that it is for me... but heck what it is on it's 10 year now, and had to be "re-born" playing new episodes along with re-packaged re-runs)

Even 24, it had to be "marathonded" 6 weeks into the series, so that people could "catchup" as they where just now finding out how good of a show it was.

Nothing is given a chance any more.

With all the big 4 networks, having no less then 2 "daughter" networks (such as NBC->Bravo, USA; Fox-> F/X, Fox Family; ABC -> ABC Family, any Disney Network; CBS-> Crap the entire Viacom universe)

If it don't cut it for the PRIME 4 networks, move it to a Cable network and let it get some feet.. leave it there or bring it back to the PRIME 4 after all the characters are developed and the writers have sunk their teeth into and got a good grip on what the show should be..

Also.. Neislen has to pony up and get with the times....

DVRs are growing in big numbers, and they have to adjust the raiting system accordingly.
Also with 200+ channels, numbers that where big in the 60's (when there where what 3 channels), simply don't translate to today...

If you look at the Cable Co, you have basically 10 channels or so with "primetime" programming now adays.. .some are not the full 3 hours, but there are "series" shows ever not.

Agree with everything you say. Except I think Cosby was a huge hit from day one, and was the show that started NBC on that 20 year run of Thursday "Must See TV"

As for the Nielson's they are finally getting on board with the times. I believe they will be taking DVRs into accounts in the not too distant future, and hopefully they will be adjusting their sample as well.

That said, a show like Reunion is one of those shows that if it isn't a hit right away, it will NEVER really develop an audience because if you miss what's going on before, it's hard to catch up, at least that is the perception. And low ratings doesn't justify them rerunning the older episodes (although, I think they did in this case). I would agree, that a show like this should be repurposed on F/X, giving the audience another shot at watching it...and if the show fails on network TV, it should be ported over to F/X permanently, heck, even at 2AM when no one is watching

 

[nyny523]

That was one of my guesses in the other thread (the guessing thread)!!! :up:

 

[MasterOfPuppets]

Why can't Nielsen's take DVR's into account now??? I mean, you are actively tuned into the show to record it...that's more "watching a show" than just leaving the TV on while I'm vacuuming the carpet and not recording it...
It's kind of funny that Fox repeatedly gets stomped in the ratings, with its only legitimate hit show being glorified karaoke (24 really doesn't get huge hype like say Lost, CSI, Survivor, etc...The Simpsons are running on empty, The Family Guy had to be brought back after Fox made another piss poor decision), while their cable channel F/X has truly great buzz (at least at times) TV like The Shield and Nip/Tuck...
But hey Fox...keep cranking out quality programming like Skating With Celebrities, Stacked and The War At Home...and maybe bring back When Animals Attack and Celebrity Boxing...that's what brings in the masses...

 

[aindik]

With all the big 4 networks, having no less then 2 "daughter" networks (such as NBC->Bravo, USA; Fox-> F/X, Fox Family; ABC -> ABC Family, any Disney Network; CBS-> Crap the entire Viacom universe)

Just a nit-pick. CBS is no longer part of Viacom, as of 1/1/06. CBS and UPN (and the radio stations, theme parks and some other stuff) are one company, called CBS, and the "new" Viacom owns the cable channels (other than Showtime, which CBS got), and Paramount Pictures.

Of course, they both still have Sumner Redstone as Chairman of the Board, and his privately held National Amusements still owns most of the stock. But they're two separate companies now.