Recordings disappeared on Premiere

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omnicare

Discussion Starter · Apr 26, 2020

Hello Tivoland. I have 2 identical TiVo Premieres with the same Hard Drive capacities, one with a bad hard drive and the other with a bad LAN port. I have swapped the hard drives leaving me with one fully functioning unit. The issue is that all the recordings from the functioning HD disappeared. I didn't get a prompt to reformat the drive or any message at all it just booted up normally and now is showing me 0% full. I have tried to put the HD back in the other TiVo but the recordings are missing there as well. Does anyone know what happened and how to retrieve the recordings?

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HerronScott

· #2 · Apr 26, 2020

omnicare said:
Hello Tivoland. I have 2 identical TiVo Premieres with the same Hard Drive capacities, one with a bad hard drive and the other with a bad LAN port. I have swapped the hard drives leaving me with one fully functioning unit. The issue is that all the recordings from the functioning HD disappeared. I didn't get a prompt to reformat the drive or any message at all it just booted up normally and now is showing me 0% full. I have tried to put the HD back in the other TiVo but the recordings are missing there as well. Does anyone know what happened and how to retrieve the recordings?

You can't move hard drives between TiVo's as the recordings are keyed to the TSN of the TiVo they were recorded on. You have to do a Clear and Delete Everything to marry a drive to a TiVo and that deletes all shows. I'm a little surprised that it actively deleted the shows (versus just not being able to play them back) but others have reported something like this with regards to new recordings which disappeared on a reboot when they did not do a Clear and Delete after imaging a new drive or installing a drive from another TiVo.

Unfortunately, I don't think you will be able to recover the shows.

Scott

omnicare

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 26, 2020

Thanks for a quick reply! Yeh, if it would have asked me beforehand I would definitely NOT have authorized that, but here we are. Any ideas on recovering the recordings? I had some stuff on it that I cannot find now.

HerronScott

· #4 · Apr 27, 2020

omnicare said:
Thanks for a quick reply! Yeh, if it would have asked me beforehand I would definitely NOT have authorized that, but here we are. Any ideas on recovering the recordings? I had some stuff on it that I cannot find now.

As I mentioned, I don't believe there is any way to recover the shows now.

Scott

tommage1

· #5 · Apr 27, 2020 (Edited)

HerronScott said:
You can't move hard drives between TiVo's as the recordings are keyed to the TSN of the TiVo they were recorded on. You have to do a Clear and Delete Everything to marry a drive to a TiVo and that deletes all shows. I'm a little surprised that it actively deleted the shows (versus just not being able to play them back) but others have reported something like this with regards to new recordings which disappeared on a reboot when they did not do a Clear and Delete after imaging a new drive or installing a drive from another TiVo.

Premieres are strange that way. I swapped in a drive from another Premiere. With older model Tivos always got an error. Not so with the Premiere. First of all the recordings were still there. After connecting it updated the TSN. And could make new recordings. And the recordings from the other Premiere were still there also. HOWEVER, after a power down and restart they ALL went away, the recordings from the other Premiere and the new recordings. I then ran clear and delete everything to marry the drive to the current Premiere. It was weird, recordings from two Premieres on the same drive for awhile (for a few days at least), and no error message when swapping in the drive from the other Premiere. No errors messages period really, just worked until the power down restart. Probably would have done the same with any restart I think, even if not powered down.

Does show you can swap in a drive from another Premiere of same model though. Just run that clear and delete everything right away. Obviously will not be able to keep recordings on the swapped in drive. At least not permanently (unless you NEVER restart the Premiere)

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tommage1

· #6 · Apr 27, 2020

A good idea when trying something iffy (like swapping drives from different units), is to make a copy/clone of the drive you are swapping in first. The if something like this happens you can put the copy/clone back in the first unit (or use the copy/clone for the swap and just leave the original in the first unit.)

mattyro7878

· #7 · Apr 27, 2020

I thought the word around here is DO NOT do a "clear and delete everything" on a Premiere. Am I misunderstanding things?

tommage1

· #8 · Apr 27, 2020

mattyro7878 said:
I thought the word around here is DO NOT do a "clear and delete everything" on a Premiere. Am I misunderstanding things?

Well my process was done quite awhile back, I was just explaining how swapping drives between Premieres work. Currently from what I read there can be big problems with clear and delete everything (there are ways to recover with some kickstart commands I guess) But again, if you copy/clone the drive first should be fine, no flash drive in a Premiere, everything is on the hard drive.

mattyro7878

· #9 · Apr 27, 2020

I thought the "clear and delete" wasnt to be done in any scenario. Im probably wrong. I have never opened a Tivo nor swapped a drive. I would ask this forum many ??? before I go ahead and make a move like that.

kpeters59

· #10 · Apr 27, 2020

mattyro7878 said:
I thought the word around here is DO NOT do a "clear and delete everything" on a Premiere. Am I misunderstanding things?

The recent issue with Premiere's has been the CPI&TDL. But, a few people have posted to not do C&DE, too...

-KP

JoeKustra

· #11 · Apr 27, 2020

kpeters59 said:
The recent issue with Premiere's has been the CPI&TDL. But, a few people have posted to not do C&DE, too...
-KP

I killed my drive with a CPI&TDL. But I understand there has been a KS code to get it back to life. I forget if it's 56 or 57.

kpeters59

· #12 · Apr 27, 2020

Someone claimed theirs was recovered with a KS57...

-KP

JoeKustra

· #13 · Apr 27, 2020

kpeters59 said:
Someone claimed theirs was recovered with a KS57...
-KP

See: Help! Need an image for TCD746500 (TiVo Premiere)

kpeters59

· #14 · Apr 27, 2020

Excellent TCF Foo!

-KP

HerronScott

· #15 · Apr 28, 2020

tommage1 said:
Does show you can swap in a drive from another Premiere of same model though. Just run that clear and delete everything right away. Obviously will not be able to keep recordings on the swapped in drive. At least not permanently (unless you NEVER restart the Premiere)

With the older TiVo's you could always swap a drive from the same model (restoring an image is doing the same thing) but you've always needed to do the C&DE in either case.

Scott

HerronScott

· #16 · Apr 28, 2020

mattyro7878 said:
I thought the "clear and delete" wasnt to be done in any scenario. Im probably wrong. I have never opened a Tivo nor swapped a drive. I would ask this forum many ??? before I go ahead and make a move like that.

Unfortunately, you *have* to do a C&DE when using a drive or image from another TiVo for the older models to marry it to that TiVo.

Scott

omnicare

Discussion Starter · #17 · May 28, 2020

Hi All, I posted the original thread. I'm experiencing another issue on this TiVo. When I try to transfer from another TiVo to this one I get a message that "This show was no transferred onto this TiVo box because it was not found on the other TiVo box…" and yes the show exists and working and it is doing it for all the recordings and TiVos. I also noticed the the MAK is "temporarily unavailable". Any ideas?

HerronScott

· #18 · May 28, 2020

omnicare said:
Hi All, I posted the original thread. I'm experiencing another issue on this TiVo. When I try to transfer from another TiVo to this one I get a message that "This show was no transferred onto this TiVo box because it was not found on the other TiVo box…" and yes the show exists and working and it is doing it for all the recordings and TiVos. I also noticed the the MAK is "temporarily unavailable". Any ideas?

You did the Clear and Delete Everything?

Scott

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omnicare

Discussion Starter · #19 · May 31, 2020

That worked!
thanks

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