Mutli-Room Streaming (MRS) will require hardwired ethernet or MoCA

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sbiller

Discussion Starter · Oct 13, 2011

I totally glossed over this the first time I read it but it appears RCN has confirmed that 14.9 MRS will only be supported for hardwired Premiere's and Previews. I'm guessing that TiVo will disable MRS support if a Premiere is networked via a WiFi adapter. It sort of makes sense that TiVo is doing this since it will cut way down on support calls due to WiFi network issues.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r26403794-TiVo-RCN-TIVo-Whole-Home-DVR-solution-is-almost-here.

My current Premiere and Premiere Elite are streaming right now via hardwired ethernet.

~Sam

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premiereman

· #2 · Oct 13, 2011

sbiller said:
I totally glossed over this the first time I read it but it appears RCN has confirmed that 14.9 MRS will only be supported for hardwired Premiere's and Previews. I'm guessing that TiVo will disable MRS support if a Premiere is networked via a WiFi adapter. It sort of makes sense that TiVo is doing this since it will cut way down on support calls due to WiFi network issues.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r26403794-TiVo-RCN-TIVo-Whole-Home-DVR-solution-is-almost-here.

My current Premiere and Premiere Elite are streaming right now via hardwired ethernet.

~Sam

I hope this isn't the case when it's officially released. It seems like they just mention the Q will have to be hardwired, nothing about regular Premiere-to-Premiere MRV streaming. That would really tick many people off including myself who don't have the option to go the hardwired route.

innocentfreak

· #3 · Oct 13, 2011

This very well could be a RCN restriction from a support standpoint especially since it sounds like they will be supplying MoCa adapters.

sbiller

Discussion Starter · #4 · Oct 13, 2011

innocentfreak said:
This very well could be a RCN restriction from a support standpoint especially since it sounds like they will be supplying MoCa adapters.

You could be right but I wouldn't be surprised at all if TiVo decided to implement this restriction. Perhaps they'll allow a sophisticated user to turn on MRS via a backdoor but I think they are more interested in the quality of the MRS experience versus the uncertainties that accompany MRS over 802.11g/n networks.

steve614

· #5 · Oct 13, 2011

I thought I read somewhere that TiVo isn't going to require Premieres to be hard wired for MRS, but they do strongly suggest that you not use wireless or you may suffer from pauses in playback, etc.

jrtroo

· #6 · Oct 13, 2011

The TiVO would not know if you were using a wireless bridge, correct? I thought it would look like a hardwire connection since it would use the ethernet port. It seem to be an issue only if attempting to use the old usb G dongle.

rainwater

· #7 · Oct 13, 2011

So basically, it would only not work for TiVo's using the wireless-G adapter. If that is the case, I doubt it will affect many users. The N-adapter uses the wired connection of the TiVo, so it would work just fine.

sbiller

Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 13, 2011

steve614 said:
I thought I read somewhere that TiVo isn't going to require Premieres to be hard wired for MRS, but they do strongly suggest that you not use wireless or you may suffer from pauses in playback, etc.

Steve, you probably read this statement from Jason in the same thread on DSLReports.

TiVo will be able to tell if a user is using one of their G or N adapters since the setup of the SSID, encryption key, etc. is handled by the software. Of course they won't be able to tell if someone is using an ethernet wifi bridge since that setup is outside the TiVo box and presents the connection to the TiVo as a typical ethernet connection.

The other option that I surmise TiVo could consider would be something similar to what the Xbox and Vudu and other OTT boxes do which is a first time test to determine network quality before deciding on the Quality of Service (QoS) parameters for the connection thus allowing various levels of quality for the connection.

I think its probably a wise decision on TiVo's part (my hypothesis again) to disable all but hardwired connections for MRS.

~Sam

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rainwater

· #9 · Oct 13, 2011

sbiller said:
TiVo will be able to tell if a user is using one of their G or N adapters since the setup of the SSID, encryption key, etc. is handled by the software.

This is not true for the N adapter. It is a wireless bridge that uses the ethernet port of the TiVo. TiVo does not control any of the settings in the software.

sbiller

Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 13, 2011

rainwater said:
This is not true for the N adapter. It is a wireless bridge that uses the ethernet port of the TiVo. TiVo does not control any of the settings in the software.

How do you set the key and SSID on the TiVO N Adapter?

rainwater

· #11 · Oct 13, 2011

sbiller said:
How do you set the key and SSID on the TiVO N Adapter?

You can either use the WPS button or connect it to your computer and use the web based setup. There's no method for setting it up on the TiVo itself.

sbiller

Discussion Starter · #12 · Oct 13, 2011

sbiller said:
How do you set the key and SSID on the TiVO N Adapter?

Wow... you're right! :up: Had no idea that the N adapter works this way. Very cool.

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1590/session/L3NpZC9QQk5xRnVHaw%3D%3D

innocentfreak

· #13 · Oct 13, 2011

sbiller said:
Steve, you probably read this statement from Jason in the same thread on DSLReports.

Nah he probably read the networking statement on TiVo.com/elite

Typically a wireless or wired Ethernet connection to your home router is sufficient for items 1-3. However if you have, or plan to have, another TiVo Premiere DVR in your home, and you want to stream programs between them, we recommend a WIRED network connection.

With a TiVo Premiere Elite, you now have two choices for a wired network connection in your home: Wired Ethernet (plugged directly into your router or into an Ethernet port somewhere else in your home), or MoCA (using the same coaxial cable that distributes television signals in your home).

MoCA stands for Multimedia over Coaxial Alliance. Like Ethernet, MoCA transfers digital content and information, but uses coaxial cable to do so. So if you cannot access an Ethernet port near your DVR, you can use the same coaxial cable that brings the cable signal to your DVR to connect to your home network.

sbiller

Discussion Starter · #14 · Oct 13, 2011

innocentfreak said:
Nah he probably read the networking statement on TiVo.com/elite

Thanks for pointing that out!

I'm puzzled why TiVo hasn't petitioned the FCC for a waiver on the Preview. I want one today and waiting 90 days or more is making me very unhappy.

aaronwt

· #15 · Oct 13, 2011

Is the Preview offered by any of the cable companies yet?

innocentfreak

· #16 · Oct 13, 2011

aaronwt said:
Is the Preview offered by any of the cable companies yet?

No it is supposed to be in November from RCN.

rainwater

· #17 · Oct 14, 2011

aaronwt said:
Is the Preview offered by any of the cable companies yet?

They will be released with the Elite most likely as a package deal (whole home DVR). RCN will be the first cable company to do this afaik.

jfh3

· #18 · Oct 14, 2011

sbiller said:
I'm puzzled why TiVo hasn't petitioned the FCC for a waiver on the Preview. I want one today and waiting 90 days or more is making me very unhappy.

+1 :up:

(actually, more like +3, as that is the number of Previews I would like to buy right now)

davezatz

· #19 · Oct 14, 2011

jrtroo said:
The TiVO would not know if you were using a wireless bridge, correct?

Correct. The official TiVo N adapter is actually a bridge. I have a tiny, USB-powered ASUS bridge (802.11g) that I use with all sorts of gear that hasn't included wireless capabilities. My network is sufficient to stream HD wireless, ever over G, so I ignore the marketing stuff.

jfh3 said:
(actually, more like +3, as that is the number of Previews I would like to buy right now)

If the Preview is released to retail, I wonder how much it'd go for and if it'd feature some sort of reduced monthly fee (reduced lower than the current MSD of $15).

jfh3

· #20 · Oct 14, 2011

davezatz said:
If the Preview is released to retail, I wonder how much it'd go for and if it'd feature some sort of reduced monthly fee (reduced lower than the current MSD of $15).

If the price of the box is any higher than $99, it's probably DOA.

As for monthly fee, I don't think there should be one if you already have a Premiere. For those using it as a replacement cable box, between $5 and $10 (if that).

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