[cwnelson]

Had something weird happen to my Moca network today and it's fine now but I have a question.

I disconnected my Tivos today to add tuning adapters (long ago Spectrum told me to turn them in because I switched off my grandfathered plan on TWC to Spectrum, but they told me wrong and they just figured this out now for some reason. They said not getting a few channels was a cablecard problem). Anyway, I was having problems with my Moca network after setting up the tuning adapters (I know how to use a splitter when you're using moca with a tuning adapter). The bridge Bolt that has one tuning adapter I set up as the bridge with no problem. The client Roamio would not connect no matter what, with the tuning adapter and also without. Since the Mini actually uses a tuner from the Roamio, I went to check the mini to see if at least I could watch TV with it. I could, but I couldn't connect via moca to the network. Left the room for a few minutes, went back in to turn the TV with the mini off and I saw that it was now connected via Moca, even though I hadn't done anything. Went to check the Roamio and it was also connected. I had not added the tuning adapter back to that Tivo. Streaming apps worked on both.

My question is this: any idea why there was a long delay (maybe an hour) in getting the moca network going? The network was fine this whole time: no outage or anything. Any reason I shouldn't try the adapter on the client now that the network is back on? Kind of afraid I'll screw it up again.

 

[ThAbtO]

I think you need to put MoCa filters on the leg to the tuning adapters.

 

[cwnelson]

I think you need to put MoCa filters on the leg to the tuning adapters.

I have a filter on the outside of my residence. Excuse my noobness, but what would the filters do?

 

[ThAbtO]

The one on the outside blocks internet signals from spreading into your neighborhood. (Interfering with the neighbor's TV signals.)
The ones to the tuning adapters would block the signals from interfering with the adapters.

 

[cwnelson]

The one on the outside blocks internet signals from spreading into your neighborhood.
The ones to the tuning adapters would block the signals from interfering with the adapters.

Ah okay. These are the same filters as I have outside?

 

[ThAbtO]

Yes.

 

[UCLABB]

The one on the outside blocks internet signals from spreading into your neighborhood. (Interfering with the neighbor's TV signals.)
The ones to the tuning adapters would block the signals from interfering with the adapters.

I don't think the vast majority of people have ever had a problem with not using a filter at the TA. I have never done that and no problems. So I would say that you probably don't need a filter at the TA, but MIGHT need it in rare situations.

 

[XIBM]

Maybe your router or Bolt rebooted during the transition to working. I have had Motorola CC and TA on Spectrum/Charter with no filter for years...

 

[Michelle Lee Brown]

How can I get the arris box and m-card to work when I have satellite internet

 

[ThAbtO]

How can I get the arris box and m-card to work when I have satellite internet

It does not matter where your internet comes from, Cable M card connects to the cable system. But, if you have satellite TV, Tivo does not work with it.

 

[cwnelson]

I'm still a little wary about hooking up the tuning adapter to the client Tivo. Since the TA is on the host and gets all my networks now, if I really want to watch on the other TV, I can record on the host and stream to the client, or I can just stream via apps on the TV. Not sure if it's even worth it to go through all that troubleshooting and then have it maybe start working out of nowhere.

 

[UCLABB]

I'm still a little wary about hooking up the tuning adapter to the client Tivo. Since the TA is on the host and gets all my networks now, if I really want to watch on the other TV, I can record on the host and stream to the client, or I can just stream via apps on the TV. Not sure if it's even worth it to go through all that troubleshooting and then have it maybe start working out of nowhere.

Don't shut the tivo down when connecting the TA. Simply connect the TA. That should prevent problems. After connecting if necessary do a restart from the TiVo menu, but I doubt that it is required. I reboot my TAs weekly, same thing as disconnecting them, without issue.

 

[cwnelson]

So an update on this situation. I was pretty sure I had identified and fixed the problem. Things were the same as above; my MoCa network was working fine and I didn't bother attaching the tuning adapter. But I got a new Tivo Edge because one of my old ones died, and I moved all my tivos around.

This is how my old setup was:
Media Room: Bolt+ (bridge)
Study: Roamio
Bedroom: Mini
Living Room: Premiere

The study is where I was having problems. But after took off the tuning adapter and after a while of waiting, it just started working. Didn't know why.

New setup:
Media Room: Edge (bridge)
Study: Bolt+
Bedroom: Roamio
(Haven't hooked up mini in the Living Room; the Premiere died)

So the MoCa didn't work with the Bolt. I made sure to double check the settings since I was changing it from the bridge to client. The Premiere (which I'd had the problem with before) worked immediately in the bedroom. No settings needed to be changed. So I figured the problem was something in the Study, since that was always the problem room regardless of which box was in there (I would have just moved the Bolt to the bedroom but the study TV is 4K). So I changed out the coax cable and extender (the cable comes out of the floor pretty far from the TV). This worked immediately. Got internet access as well as programming from both the Edge and the Premiere. So I thought I must have fixed it. But the internet has gone on an off in the study intermittently. All of a sudden, a show that I have recorded on the Edge stops streaming after an hour or so. The next day, I streamed a whole movie on Vudu with no problem. Went back and tried to start another one, the internet was out. I checked and the Edge wasn't visible. But the Roamio was, and I can still stream to that room from the Roamio (always, as far as I can tell), but not always the Edge.

The replacement coax I used is old, but it's the only one I had that was long enough. So maybe it's that, but I kind of doubt it since it wasn't working with the other cable either, though this one works better. I am thinking I need to bring someone out here to replace the cable that comes through the floor. But before I do that, wanted to ask here. Seems pretty clear it's a problem in this room. Seems unlikely I had two bad cables but I don't have any more cables long enough to try with.

 

[cwnelson]

Apologies for the double-post. Now none of the boxes can see the new Edge, so apparently that's the (a?) problem. The Edge will connect to the internet when I tell it to, but when I try to see the other boxes in the house, the Edge tells me it's not connected to the network. So now I'm just all kinds of confused. It was working earlier today.

I have never had these kinds of Moca problems before, without being able to fix them pretty fast. Only when I have added something, but it won't even work when I reset to what I had before. Cable guys generally have no idea what to do with a Moca network.

EDIT: Failed to mention that 1) I can connect to wifi with my Bolt+ from the study. When I do this I can see both other Tivos.

2) I reentered the settings on the Edge and the first time I got an error message. The second time it worked with no problem. At first, neither box would connect and the Roamio and Bolt stopped seeing each other, except after I connected the Bolt to Wifi. After I connected the Bolt to Wifi, then all three boxes saw each other. Then I tried Moca with Bolt and now the Edge and Roamio see each other, but the Bolt has disappeared again. Not talking even to the Roamio. I don't know if setting it to Wifi made the Roamio start working or not, but it happened then. I'm still confused, and the main problem seems to be the Study (Bolt).

[Second EDIT]: I restarted the Bolt box (the problem room), and after I did this, the Edge now tells me it's not connected and can't see the other boxes. The Premiere and Bolt can now see each other. Then I connect it to Wifi and all three boxes work again. Connect to Moca with it, and Bolt is off the network, and the others remain. Completely different results when I try different things. None of this makes any sense.

I have set all three boxes to auto on the Moca network.