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How about a mfsinfo printout of the drive.
 
Yes. You would have to have both drives attached when you run the copy command. It will combine both drives into one drive when it runs.
 
@jmbach what so both drives have to be connected? what command would that be? i think i'll just disconnect my external....and try to copy 1 drive.
If you are only going to do one drive, then you have to divorce it from the external drive first.

Command is simple. mfscopy -ai /dev/sdX:/dev/sdZ /dev/sdY where sdX is your internal source, sdZ is your external source, and sdY is your target drive.

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Hi all, I have a basic Roamio and bought a WD Red 4TB drive to copy my 500g drive onto. Using the MFS TOOL 3.2 disk I created I copied everything over and installed the drive into the TiVo. After the starting up and just a few more minutes screens I got the error message "error creating swsystem".

I went back through the commands I used and saw on page 7 "mfstool copy -ai /dev/sda /dev/sdb" is used for Premier and earlier models. The Roamio models command is - mfscopy -a /dev/sda /dev/sdb

I used the correct command to overwrite the the drive and still got the same error message.

I thought I could just format it in Windows 10 and pop it in the TiVo to start from a fresh drive but windows doesn't recognize it.

With the MFS TOOLS disk running the pc I can see the drive and get the info from it.

Can I format the drive with the MFS TOOL disk and install as a new drive into the TiVo? Or is there a way I can format the drive and put a fresh copy of my TiVo drive on to it.

Thank you for any help you can give me!
 
Try a Kickstart 58 on that drive when it boots up
 
Hi all, I have a basic Roamio and bought a WD Red 4TB drive to copy my 500g drive onto. Using the MFS TOOL 3.2 disk I created I copied everything over and installed the drive into the TiVo. After the starting up and just a few more minutes screens I got the error message "error creating swsystem".

I went back through the commands I used and saw on page 7 "mfstool copy -ai /dev/sda /dev/sdb" is used for Premier and earlier models. The Roamio models command is - mfscopy -a /dev/sda /dev/sdb

I used the correct command to overwrite the the drive and still got the same error message.

I thought I could just format it in Windows 10 and pop it in the TiVo to start from a fresh drive but windows doesn't recognize it.

With the MFS TOOLS disk running the pc I can see the drive and get the info from it.

Can I format the drive with the MFS TOOL disk and install as a new drive into the TiVo? Or is there a way I can format the drive and put a fresh copy of my TiVo drive on to it.

Thank you for any help you can give me!
You don't want to format the drive with windows. Use WD diagnostic and run a complete erase followed by a complete read on your 4TB. Once that is done, copy you 500GB drive over to the 4TB. Then let it boot in the TiVo. If you get that error, run a Kickstart 58 on it.

BTW are you running Hydra or Encore interface on your TiVo.
 
You don't want to format the drive with windows. Use WD diagnostic and run a complete erase followed by a complete read on your 4TB. Once that is done, copy you 500GB drive over to the 4TB. Then let it boot in the TiVo. If you get that error, run a Kickstart 58 on it.

BTW are you running Hydra or Encore interface on your TiVo.
Thanks jmbach! I have not upgraded to Hydra.

I found this on WD website - Data Lifeguard Diagnostic for windows.

I assume this is what I need to use. Can I do the erase and read in Windows?
 
Yes that is the program and yes you can do that in windows.
 
Long drive test.
 
If you are only going to do one drive, then you have to divorce it from the external drive first.

Command is simple. mfscopy -ai /dev/sdX:/dev/sdZ /dev/sdY where sdX is your internal source, sdZ is your external source, and sdY is your target drive.

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Wow, thanks! Everything is up and running....it just took 6+ hours to copy everything over. Again thanks for the help and quick response times.
 
You don't want to format the drive with windows. Use WD diagnostic and run a complete erase followed by a complete read on your 4TB. Once that is done, copy you 500GB drive over to the 4TB. Then let it boot in the TiVo. If you get that error, run a Kickstart 58 on it.

BTW are you running Hydra or Encore interface on your TiVo.
Success!! Thank you jmbach!! I did the complete erase, complete read and redid the copy but still got the error message. Kickstart 58 fixed it and got everything running. I went from a recording capacity of 75HD hours to 638!! HA!

Thank you again!!
 
Excellent. Not sure why that error happens. On one of my Roamios it happened but not on the other one. At least there is a way of fixing that. Enjoy the extra space.
 
Hey Everyone. I've been reading up on replacing Tivo drives and wanted to verify something before starting to mess with stuff.

I have a Tivo Premier and a brand new Tivo Roamio OTA. The Premier has been in service for like 6 years with the original (320GB I believe) drive. The Roamio is the newer 1GB VOX model.

What I was planning on doing is replacing the HDD in the Roamio with a WD 3TB Red drive, and then using that drive (1TB) in my Premier. I'll end up getting 3x the space give or take, but mainly I just figured the HDD in the Premier is going to fail sooner than later. I don't really need more space as the Roamio will be my main OTA box, so my main concern is putting in something that will last longer.

From what I read, I can do this all using MFSTools 3.2 to automatically copy/expand in the process, correct? I know the Roamio HDD can just be swapped out and it will automatically reformat/etc, but I figured I would do it the copy way to ensure my settings/recordings/etc. are moved over since I have the time.

So some clarification questions:

1) It looks like I just need to run mfscopy -ai (source) (destination) and it will automatically copy and expand to the bigger drive without any need for advanced or secondary steps, correct?

2) I assume the Roamio's native 1TB drive will work fine in the Premier, and I understand that the Premier drive replacement does require a cloning type process. Do I need to wipe the old Roamio data (part table, etc.) off first, or will msfcopy do that? Any special run parameters besides -ai on that one too for it to work?

3) So basically, just take out Roamio drive, msfcopy it to new drive, verify it works, take out Premier drive, msfcopy it to old Roamio drive, verify it works, done; right?

4) I have this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KT3BEAS/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza which I believe supports mounting both drives to a host OS, but haven't tried it before. Anyone else use this to accomplish a host-controlled read/write before for Tivo drives?

5) Anything else I'm missing or should be aware of?

Thanks!
 
Hey Everyone. I've been reading up on replacing Tivo drives and wanted to verify something before starting to mess with stuff.

I have a Tivo Premier and a brand new Tivo Roamio OTA. The Premier has been in service for like 6 years with the original (320GB I believe) drive. The Roamio is the newer 1GB VOX model.

What I was planning on doing is replacing the HDD in the Roamio with a WD 3TB Red drive, and then using that drive (1TB) in my Premier. I'll end up getting 3x the space give or take, but mainly I just figured the HDD in the Premier is going to fail sooner than later. I don't really need more space as the Roamio will be my main OTA box, so my main concern is putting in something that will last longer.

From what I read, I can do this all using MFSTools 3.2 to automatically copy/expand in the process, correct? I know the Roamio HDD can just be swapped out and it will automatically reformat/etc, but I figured I would do it the copy way to ensure my settings/recordings/etc. are moved over since I have the time.

So some clarification questions:

1) It looks like I just need to run mfscopy -ai (source) (destination) and it will automatically copy and expand to the bigger drive without any need for advanced or secondary steps, correct?

2) I assume the Roamio's native 1TB drive will work fine in the Premier, and I understand that the Premier drive replacement does require a cloning type process. Do I need to wipe the old Roamio data (part table, etc.) off first, or will msfcopy do that? Any special run parameters besides -ai on that one too for it to work?

3) So basically, just take out Roamio drive, msfcopy it to new drive, verify it works, take out Premier drive, msfcopy it to old Roamio drive, verify it works, done; right?

4) I have this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KT3BEAS/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza which I believe supports mounting both drives to a host OS, but haven't tried it before. Anyone else use this to accomplish a host-controlled read/write before for Tivo drives?

5) Anything else I'm missing or should be aware of?

Thanks!
That is the main dock I use but I use eSata connection instead of USB3. At one time I had write issues when running MFSTools ISO because of UAS when connected to USB3. I think that was a Linux issue that has been corrected but I have not had to work on any TiVo drives since then. So at that time my options were to connect as eSata or USB 2.0.

Overall what you outlined is the correct process. The only thing I would do in addition is run WD diagnostic full write followed be a full read on each drive going to be placed into a TiVo.
 
Hey Everyone. I've been reading up on replacing Tivo drives and wanted to verify something before starting to mess with stuff.

I have a Tivo Premier and a brand new Tivo Roamio OTA. The Premier has been in service for like 6 years with the original (320GB I believe) drive. The Roamio is the newer 1GB VOX model.

What I was planning on doing is replacing the HDD in the Roamio with a WD 3TB Red drive, and then using that drive (1TB) in my Premier. I'll end up getting 3x the space give or take, but mainly I just figured the HDD in the Premier is going to fail sooner than later. I don't really need more space as the Roamio will be my main OTA box, so my main concern is putting in something that will last longer.

From what I read, I can do this all using MFSTools 3.2 to automatically copy/expand in the process, correct? I know the Roamio HDD can just be swapped out and it will automatically reformat/etc, but I figured I would do it the copy way to ensure my settings/recordings/etc. are moved over since I have the time.

So some clarification questions:

1) It looks like I just need to run mfscopy -ai (source) (destination) and it will automatically copy and expand to the bigger drive without any need for advanced or secondary steps, correct?

2) I assume the Roamio's native 1TB drive will work fine in the Premier, and I understand that the Premier drive replacement does require a cloning type process. Do I need to wipe the old Roamio data (part table, etc.) off first, or will msfcopy do that? Any special run parameters besides -ai on that one too for it to work?

3) So basically, just take out Roamio drive, msfcopy it to new drive, verify it works, take out Premier drive, msfcopy it to old Roamio drive, verify it works, done; right?

4) I have this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KT3BEAS/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza which I believe supports mounting both drives to a host OS, but haven't tried it before. Anyone else use this to accomplish a host-controlled read/write before for Tivo drives?

5) Anything else I'm missing or should be aware of?

Thanks!
All this may be worthwhile, but I would not recommend doing any copying just yet on the Roamio, because the drive is just blank and has not been prepared until its installed and running.

I would install and run it for a few weeks/months to be sure it not only runs properly, but the software/everything gets updated.
 
That is the main dock I use but I use eSata connection instead of USB3. At one time I had write issues when running MFSTools ISO because of UAS when connected to USB3. I think that was a Linux issue that has been corrected but I have not had to work on any TiVo drives since then. So at that time my options were to connect as eSata or USB 2.0.

Overall what you outlined is the correct process. The only thing I would do in addition is run WD diagnostic full write followed be a full read on each drive going to be placed into a TiVo.
Awesome, thanks! I'm not sure if I have any eSata options on computers since everything I have right now are laptops. I guess if I run into an issue I can try finding that. I read that I should force USB2 since USB3 can have issues. I did try booting the MFS Tools 3.2 ISO on a thumb drive, but it kept crashing with some MBR error. I read somewhere that USB drives can cause issues and to try with a CD instead. I did also download the VMX file and booted it up in VM Workstation successfully, so I guess that would work too, albeit with some overhead. In any case, my new Red drive won't be here for a few more days, so I just wanted to get things prepped and make sure I fully understand the process.

I did plan on running the drive tests first, but thanks for reminding me. :)

Final bit of clarification -- the mfscopy command -- do I use -ai for the Premier and just -a for the Roamio, with it automatically copying and resizing, or is it -ai for both? I though the latter, but found a guide buried somewhere in this thread that the Roamio just needed -a.

Thanks again!
 
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