[zalusky]

Even if they can legally do something, they need to be concerned about how consumers react. They'd get a lot of bad press if they stopped providing guide data to lifetime units. If they want to market Tivo TVs to consumers, having a bad reputation will cost them sales. They'd need to figure in the cost savings of dropping guide data support with the loss in sales from consumers bad mouthing them over that decision.

What sales if they stop selling Tivos?

 

[DFranch]

What sales if they stop selling Tivos?

They are still selling their software to TV manufacturers, although there is only 1 TV available in the USA from Sharp. It looks like Panasonic might have a TV available in Europe. It looks like they have some video platform for automobiles as well. It looks like that may just be on BMW. They are not exactly killing in on either front. More reason to worry they will just fold up and go away soon.

 

[ungivenglory]

Good faith? There is no such thing in the late stage capitalism environment that which we live in. That said, unless Xperi Inc. divests the commercial STB ecosystem (where someone else is responsible for future support and then that organization could simply end), or itself declares Ch 11 bankruptcy (which allows them to end support for anything that the court allows to be terminated, and such support of legacy devices would be high on the list), Xperi Inc. would be find themselves the target of at least one class action lawsuit from those with lifetime/all-on service, resulting in long term costs while the litigation continues.

If I was an Xperi Inc. executive (and not only am I not, I would never possibly be), who wants to reduce future expenses I would look (with their lawyers figuring out the details to make it happen) to move the Edge to EOL legacy status in a reasonably quick timeframe, wait a year or so (after all past annual subs have expired), and then announce that as all TiVo devices are now EOL, all services will now end. TiVo has previously shown that lifetime/all-in is not what you think (or want to think) it is.

I would be surprised if guide services lasted for the consumer DVRs much beyond the end of the decade. Throw a dart between EOL 2026 and EOL 2030 for when consumer TiVo devices will end up in e-cycle. It was the best of times, it was the worst of time.

Exactly.

 

[zalusky]

They are still selling their software to TV manufacturers, although there is only 1 TV available in the USA from Sharp. It looks like Panasonic might have a TV available in Europe. It looks like they have some video platform for automobiles as well. It looks like that may just be on BMW. They are not exactly killing in on either front. More reason to worry they will just fold up and go away soon.

Lifetime products end all the time: Craftsman tools being one example.

 

[lman]

I have a couple of channels that went live about a month ago. There is no guide data listed on my Bolt. I reported these two channels on the form. I'm now wondering if the guide will be updated. Does anybody know what is going to happen with guide corrections that need to be done since it looks like TIVO is going a different direction.

 

[ungivenglory]

I have a couple of channels that went live about a month ago. There is no guide data listed on my Bolt. I reported these two channels on the form. I'm now wondering if the guide will be updated. Does anybody know what is going to happen with guide corrections that need to be done since it looks like TIVO is going a different direction.

Everything is business as usual. Do the same thing you always would. It will probably take the small staff that’s left some time before they get to the issue you are talking about.

TiVo said it remains “committed to providing support for our DVR customers and will continue to provide support for the foreseeable future.”

 

[ungivenglory]

“…TiVo has committed to maintaining software updates for existing DVRs through at least 2027…”

TiVo Stops Selling DVRs Marking The End Of An Era | Cord Cutters News

In a seismic shift for the television industry, TiVo Corporation has quietly pulled the plug on its storied digital video recorder line, effectively ending an era that redefined how consumers interacted with broadcast content. As of early October 2025, the company’s official website has scrubbed...

cordcuttersnews.com

 

[ncbill]

whomever owned Replay at its end decided it was cheaper to keep the guide information coming than defend a lawsuit.

so Replay kept it going until they literally filed bankruptcy.

and by that time had opened up the software enough that one could purchase guide data from Schedules Direct and have the Replay load said guide data via a Windows server.

 

[DFranch]

It's not like they really had much of a choice. Cable Operators are not giving out new cablecards, only to existing cablecard customers. So, they could only sell to existing customers. That leaves OTA customers. I don't know the volume of their OTA business. I have to assume it is a fraction of their cable business.

 

[PL1]

I don't know the volume of their OTA business. I have to assume it is a fraction of their cable business.

They sold all of their OTA units to Channel Master, who is sold out now. It was odd to me that they stopped making the 4 tuner Edge OTA shortly after announcement, and stopped selling OTA models altogether, although the TiVo site pointed to Channel Master for the 2 Tuner models. Personally, I felt like they should have wound down the cable only production and focused on the OTA models once the writing was on the wall with the cablecos.

Cable Operators are not giving out new cablecards, only to existing cablecard customers.

I think most of the cablecos are just allowing customers to continue using their CableCARDs without even replacing them if they go bad (which is unlikely to happen as it is more likely it is not paired properly). My guess is that when reports come out that a CableCARD "is" replaced, it is because of a customer service complaint or a customer service rep not knowing the current policy, or a small cableco that is still supporting them. I'm with Fios and they specifically say they will not give out new CableCARDs, but they ARE charging current customers for them, so they would have to stop the charges or provide a replacement.

ETA: I guess ATCS 3.0 for OTA probably affected their decision to discontinue their ATCS 1.0 OTA devices.

 

[mahermusic]

Lifetime products end all the time: Craftsman tools being one example.

Lowe's still accepts Craftsman tools & will exchange it the most similar new Craftsman tool available in their store for free. The Lowe's manager at our closest store has a memo on this & we've exchanged two old Craftsman tools so far this way.

 

[cwoody222]

Even if they can legally do something, they need to be concerned about how consumers react. They'd get a lot of bad press if they stopped providing guide data to lifetime units. If they want to market Tivo TVs to consumers, having a bad reputation will cost them sales. They'd need to figure in the cost savings of dropping guide data support with the loss in sales from consumers bad mouthing them over that decision.

No one cares about TiVo DVRs any more.

The outraged public you speak of would be more likely to reply with shrugged shoulders instead of daring to not buy another tivo product.

Most would probably say “what’s TiVo?”

 

[cwoody222]

“…TiVo has committed to maintaining software updates for existing DVRs through at least 2027…”

TiVo Stops Selling DVRs Marking The End Of An Era | Cord Cutters News

In a seismic shift for the television industry, TiVo Corporation has quietly pulled the plug on its storied digital video recorder line, effectively ending an era that redefined how consumers interacted with broadcast content. As of early October 2025, the company’s official website has scrubbed...

cordcuttersnews.com

That comment did not come from TiVo. That site seems to have pulled it from thin air.

 

[connie_w]

That comment did not come from TiVo. That site seems to have pulled it from thin air.

TiVo has confirmed it.

TiVo Confirms It Has Stopped Making DVRs, Marking the End of an Era | Cord Cutters News

In a significant shift for the home entertainment industry, TiVo, a pioneer in digital video recording, has officially ceased selling its DVR products. The company confirmed this development in a statement to Cord Cutters News, signaling the end of an era for a brand that once revolutionized how...

cordcuttersnews.com

 

[connie_w]

They sold all of their OTA units to Channel Master, who is sold out now. It was odd to me that they stopped making the 4 tuner Edge OTA shortly after announcement, and stopped selling OTA models altogether, although the TiVo site pointed to Channel Master for the 2 Tuner models. Personally, I felt like they should have wound down the cable only production and focused on the OTA models once the writing was on the wall with the cablecos.

I think most of the cablecos are just allowing customers to continue using their CableCARDs without even replacing them if they go bad (which is unlikely to happen as it is more likely it is not paired properly). My guess is that when reports come out that a CableCARD "is" replaced, it is because of a customer service complaint or a customer service rep not knowing the current policy, or a small cableco that is still supporting them. I'm with Fios and they specifically say they will not give out new CableCARDs, but they ARE charging current customers for them, so they would have to stop the charges or provide a replacement.

ETA: I guess ATCS 3.0 for OTA probably affected their decision to discontinue their ATCS 1.0 OTA devices.

I agree with you regarding OTA. I think OTA could still be advantageous. Especially because a lot of people just cannot afford all the streaming services. It's nice to have DVR to record the OTA stations. That's why I bought mine was strictly for OTA - I got po'd at the price of cable and truly really watched more of the local stations thru the cable box, anyway, really didn't have time to watch the bazillions of other channels on cable.

As it is, I still get tons of channels OTA, but I only watch pretty much the major networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS, CW. There are tons of others, like ION. Heck PBS has many channels, OTA. I love the skip features of my TiVo too. Honestly, I don't have time to watch much in streaming unless it is between seasons on the major networks and even then, I often have a lot of recordings from the season that I still am catching up on.

 

[KevTech]

Heck PBS has many channels, OTA.

Maybe not much longer.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the conduit for federal funds to NPR and PBS, announced on Friday that it is beginning to wind down its operations given President Trump has signed a law clawing back $1.1 billion in funding for public broadcasting through fiscal year 2027.

 

[cwoody222]

TiVo has confirmed it.

TiVo Confirms It Has Stopped Making DVRs, Marking the End of an Era | Cord Cutters News

In a significant shift for the home entertainment industry, TiVo, a pioneer in digital video recording, has officially ceased selling its DVR products. The company confirmed this development in a statement to Cord Cutters News, signaling the end of an era for a brand that once revolutionized how...

cordcuttersnews.com

I was talking about the comment about TiVo promising support thru 2027.

That comment was made up by the article. I’ve never heard TiVo make any such assurances and they certainly have not done so recently.

 

[cwoody222]

Commentary: Say farewell to the TiVo box, the device that revolutionized how we watch television

TiVo and ReplayTV revolutionized the TV-viewing experience, but they were undone by network opposition and the rise of streaming video, as new technologies leave them behind

www.latimes.com

Interesting stats for people who recall the mid-aughts with rose colored glasses and think TiVo was some massive powerhouse will tens of millions of customers…

“Sure enough, by 2015, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, 46% of U.S. homes had a cable box with a DVR, an additional 7% had a stand-alone DVR such as a TiVo…”

7% was the best they ever did. Even cable company boxes didn’t get past 50%!

 

[DFranch]

I think most of the cablecos are just allowing customers to continue using their CableCARDs without even replacing them if they go bad (which is unlikely to happen as it is more likely it is not paired properly). My guess is that when reports come out that a CableCARD "is" replaced, it is because of a customer service complaint or a customer service rep not knowing the current policy, or a small cableco that is still supporting them. I'm with Fios and they specifically say they will not give out new CableCARDs, but they ARE charging current customers for them, so they would have to stop the charges or provide a replacement.

ETA: I guess ATCS 3.0 for OTA probably affected their decision to discontinue their ATCS 1.0 OTA devices.

Spectrum sent me a new cablecard earlier this year to replace my existing card. There was nothing wrong with my existing card, supposedly, it was a new version needed for something new they were deploying. I did not investigate further. They didn't even want the old card back.

 

[newsposter]

if they kill guide data will my premiere still work with pytivo to upload things from my laptop? I could deal without OTA recording but not the loss of that functionality.