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How do you feel?

  • Yes it bothers me, I'll wait until 2 way cable cards hit the market

    Votes: 17 10.6%
  • Yes it bothers me, but I ditched the cable box for an S3 anyway

    Votes: 20 12.5%
  • No it doesn't bother me, I current have an S3 or plan on buying one soon.

    Votes: 106 66.3%
  • No it doesn't bother me, I will hold off buying for other reasons (MRV, TTG, eSata)

    Votes: 17 10.6%
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It does bother me that I will be losing some great features if I get a S3 unit and use cable cards. I like having video on demand at my finger tips.

Does this bother you also? and is it holding you back from ditching your cable box for a S3 unit?
 

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Amazon Unbox is sufficient for the Movies on Demand we used to occasionally use with the cable box. And we could still technically use the cable box, but I gave it back to the cable company thinking it would lower my bill (it didn't.) Oh well.

Never used PPV.

MRV and TTG might be nice, but before the S3 I had an S1, so I never had those features anyway. I'm hoping they'll enable MRV on the S3 and make it compatible with S2s. That way I can swap my S1 for one of the two S2s sitting on a shelf doing nothing and get MRV between the bedroom and family room TiVos.
 

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A somewhat difficult poll though. I never would have tossed out $700 for a full on S3. Especially with the prospect of SDV, or because of no two way.

When they put out the $299 TiVo HD which I used a 30% off coupon and $150 in GC's to pick up, bringing my outlay to $119 out the door I couldn't resist. Heck I didn't even think about it twice.
 

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SDV is a just a bandaid for cable companies. Eventually, they will need to upgrade their capacity and drop analog and go digital in order to stay competitive. If most of the HD channels are tuned in by someone in the service area most of the time anyway, then SDV really only helps offer programming that caters to a small audience with specific interests. In other words, obscure channels most people don't watch. Why spend so much for such a little return? Dropping analog cuts down on piracy and offers much more to the consumer than implementing SDV.
 

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PPV has always been available to most TiVO HD and S3 owners, as long as your cable company lets you order by phone. I have ordered PPV on my S3 several times without problem with Seattle Comcast. The availability is common. I even recorded and save.
 

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kido said:
SDV is a just a bandaid for cable companies. Eventually, they will need to upgrade their capacity and drop analog and go digital in order to stay competitive. If most of the HD channels are tuned in by someone in the service area most of the time anyway, then SDV really only helps offer programming that caters to a small audience with specific interests. In other words, obscure channels most people don't watch. Why spend so much for such a little return? Dropping analog cuts down on piracy and offers much more to the consumer than implementing SDV.
I agree SDV is a band-aid, but compared to dropping analog (and all the boxes they will need to add) SDV isn't really that costly. It is mostly a software upgrade for existing VOD-capable boxes. Of course there are back-end changes as well, but that is no where near the cost of a change that requires half their customers to get STBs.

I think they will gradually drop expanded basic, but they don't want to do it all at once, and will wait until a larger percentage of customers are already on digital, at which point they will do a hard drop of expanded basic like they did in Chicago. Eventually they will drop limited basic as well. Until they get more bandwidth, either through dropping channels or infrastructure upgrades, they will be happy to do a software-based band-aid to alleviate the bandwidth problem.
 

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ajwees41 said:
All cable cards are two way. Tivo didn't include two way hardware in the S3 or tivoHD is the reason ppv,OnDemand don't work.

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At least tell the full story instead of a half truth - Tivo didn't include this hardware because they are prohibited by the Open Cable lisencing agreement to unclude 2 way funtionality unless you're OCAP compliant (meaning that the cable company can download their software to your box and blow away the Tivo software).

Also, there is a grid style guide available in the S3 (if that's what the OP meant by "no grid").
 

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At least tell the full story instead of a half truth - Tivo didn't include this hardware because they are prohibited by the Open Cable lisencing agreement to unclude 2 way funtionality unless you're OCAP compliant (meaning that the cable company can download their software to your box and blow away the Tivo software).
They could have included the hardware w/o enabling it, making a future software upgrade easier if the licensing ever got worked out (or something like SDV came about)
 

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I use VOD too much to purchase a tivo. the lack of 2 way support has not only turned me away from the tivo, but from mediacenter pc's as well. i was really hoping this new tivo would have been and opencable 2.0 device but looks like tivo isnt going to go that route with them already handing their software over to run on the cable co's hardware.
 

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We had several Comcast HD Moto boxes and after wanting to smash them to bits for all of the problems that they had we ended up purchasing an S3 and never looked back...couldn't be happier. We'll probably replace our S2’s with TiVo HD’s once they get the bugs worked out.

We can still get PPV and IMHO most of the VOD wasn't worth watching or available elsewhere. MRV/TTG and eSATA support are on the way so that's not a concern either.

FWIW and AFAIK all we really need are more acronyms! :D
 

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I agree SDV is a band-aid, but compared to dropping analog (and all the boxes they will need to add) SDV isn't really that costly. It is mostly a software upgrade for existing VOD-capable boxes. Of course there are back-end changes as well, but that is no where near the cost of a change that requires half their customers to get STBs.
So, with SDV using existing boxes, a cable company will spend the money, do the upgrade and receive $0 in additional revenue for their efforts as they have not placed a single new STB in the field. They still have limited capacity and FIOS just got approval to start selling services in their area. Oops. But they do now offer the Ice Fishing channel in HD. :)

SDV has been available to cable companies for almost 10 years. If it was really going to take off, it would have by now. The fact is that SDV is best used as a marketing tool and to lock people in to using the cable company's equipment. This last fact might also cause the FCC to add restrictions to SDV at some point in the future. It's too much trouble without much return.
 

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I never use On-Demand, so it's not an issue for me. In fact, I don't have, nor do I think I have ever had a set-top box. Personally, I don't want a cablecard, be it unidirectional or bidirectional, anywhere near my Tivo. All it does is reduce the reliability of the Tivo [look at all the cablecard complaints], which has perfectly good ATSC and QAM tuners.

I did use amazon unbox for the very first time on my HD. I was fairly impressed with how well it worked, although it did seem to take a couple of hours to download (longer than I had anticipated), and would not let me watch the program until the download had completed. Tivo should get that fixed. It should work like MRV so that you can watch while downloading, otherwise it won't be competitive with PPV.

If Tivo could integrate with Netflix, then I would be very, very happy. I assume this is a no-no due to competition with amazon, but it still would be nice!
 

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As long as I can keep getting PPV via the 800 phone line I am good. I don't order often (typically just MMA fights) so it isn't too much of a hassle.

Although, if they added some type of USB dongle to the S3 to allow it via the internet or even if they let you order PPV through your account logon via PC on the internet, that would be even better. I'd probably end up ordering more too. :eek:
 

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davecramer74 said:
I use VOD too much to purchase a tivo. the lack of 2 way support has not only turned me away from the tivo, but from mediacenter pc's as well. i was really hoping this new tivo would have been and opencable 2.0 device but looks like tivo isnt going to go that route with them already handing their software over to run on the cable co's hardware.
Doesn't VoD kind of negate the need for Tivo? I see them as complimenting each other. VoD content is limited. If VoD would let you get anything whenever you want it would be like the cable company is the mother of all Tivos :).

We don't have VoD here on Cox's Phoenix system, but if I decide to subscribe to some of the VoD offerings I'll just add a STB to my entertainment center and use it for VoD only.... maybe pair up one of my S2s with it.
 

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kido said:
SDV has been available to cable companies for almost 10 years. If it was really going to take off, it would have by now.
The catalyst for all the bandwidth saving (or expansion) techniques like SDV, dropping expanded basic, etc. is the onset of more HD channels.

In the last 10 years, how many HD channels launched? Now compare to what is expected in the next 3 years.

Your analogy is like saying fiber optic has been around for 20 years, if it was really going to take off, it would have by now.

The reason it is taking off now is because there is finally a catalyst in that the # of video apps are increasing.

Personally I'm against SDV if it cannot be made to coexist with UDCP products like TiVo, but have no problems with it if they come up with a solution before mass deployment.
 
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