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It's not like the TS4k has been out for years... I'm in for three of them and hoping they come through with at least some additional basic functionality. Better support for the usb-c port for one. Really don't care what they do with the stream app part. I'd be happy keeping it vanilla androidtv as I don't have hope that Sabrina has USB-C. Think Google will take the path of least resistance and stick with microUSB since they already have an Ethernet charger for it via the Ultra charger.
The hardware is fine, where they fell short was the app and it's "integration" with SlingTV.
 

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The hardware is fine, where they fell short was the app and it's "integration" with SlingTV.
Again, it's still relatively new. And again. If there is a more complete android tv device, feature wise, outside of the Shield for well under $100, please point me to it. And if you read above, I don't care about sling as I use channels dvr. Why would I want to pay for sling if I'm happy with OTA? Tmo pays for Netflix. Verizon pays for Disney. I've had prime long before they did video. And the family shares what logins we can so what little cable I do watch (mainly NBC sports) is covered by my mom's fios credentials.

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I'm the OP. I can clarify a bit. I probably spoke with 6-7 agents including two "loyalty" specialists. One loyalty specialist said that I could "transfer" ownership of the existing account...but after sending in paperwork and waiting 2 weeks, I couldn't confirm that this would not cause me to loose TIVO capability. The agents who said just "cancel" the old service and start the new service all stated that either they didn't know what TIVO/cablecards might be--or that they were no longer being supported. Furthermore, when I looked for new service as a new customer at a local address that I knew is not on xfinity (I needed to use the browser Opera since all my other browsers recognized me as an existing customer), there was no Cable card option. I did not go to the retail store which might have had a different take on things. In the end, I just chose a different existing plan, as I am out of contract. ATT is installing fiber service over the next few months, so I'll have other options in the future. As we TIVO loyalists know, even if we can figure out a streaming solution that we can manage, the less technologically inclined members of our households really don't want a change. Thanks for all the comments. My conclusions are 1. be careful if you are thinking of dropping your existing Xfinity/Comcast service and 2. be careful if you are purchasing TIVO for cable on Xfinity (probably the best thing is to be sure that it is refundable and go to the xfinity store and ask for a cablecard before you give up). This is just my experience. Hopefully my experience is just a local glitch or misinterpretation.
 

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Again, it's still relatively new. And again. If there is a more complete android tv device, feature wise, outside of the Shield for well under $100, please point me to it. And if you read above, I don't care about sling as I use channels dvr. Why would I want to pay for sling if I'm happy with OTA? Tmo pays for Netflix. Verizon pays for Disney. I've had prime long before they did video. And the family shares what logins we can so what little cable I do watch (mainly NBC sports) is covered by my mom's fios credentials.
Sounds like it's great, for you. You're right it's a fine AndroidTV device, especially given the price. But it's not a very good TiVo device. In fact it actually works better if you scrub all the proprietary TiVo stuff off and just use it as a raw AndroidTV device.
 

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Sounds like it's great, for you. You're right it's a fine AndroidTV device, especially given the price. But it's not a very good TiVo device. In fact it actually works better if you scrub all the proprietary TiVo stuff off and just use it as a raw AndroidTV device.
Nothing wrong with that... Disable all the tivo stuff, and if they ever make the stream part worthwhile you can always enable it again. If not, it's a decent android tv device.

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Again, it's still relatively new. And again. If there is a more complete android tv device, feature wise, outside of the Shield for well under $100, please point me to it. And if you read above, I don't care about sling as I use channels dvr. Why would I want to pay for sling if I'm happy with OTA? Tmo pays for Netflix. Verizon pays for Disney. I've had prime long before they did video. And the family shares what logins we can so what little cable I do watch (mainly NBC sports) is covered by my mom's fios credentials.
"Sabrina" coming soon. the Google-branded stick. Sept 29th is a Google event.
 

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Oh and here's a 2 yr old post on Reddit with someone saying Comcast no longer supports cablecard. He eventually found out they (supposedly) don't support cablecard on certain plans.

other people called and agent told them they only support boxes. Others called and got the opposite from the agent. another post said the website had no option for no equipment.
etc.

Like I said par for the course for the past 10 years-ish.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tivo/comments/8w1vjx
 

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"Sabrina" coming soon. the Google-branded stick. Sept 29th is a Google event.
Its only been talked about for the past month or so...

And no confirmation of usb-c. Could be micro with the Ethernet charger like the ultra since Google takes the path of least resistance. If so, it's all yours and going back to the previous decade of using otg adapters. And the remote looks like crap. Just another sign they can't get out of Apple's shadow. If they were serious, it would be a more useful remote, not another generic minimalist streamer remote. Even funnier is its pretty much their key feature over the CCU.

I'll stick with the TS4k for now. Will maybe give it a go when a deal at $50 or under can be had.

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The TS4Ks biggest strength is definitely the remote. It's the best small form factor remote I have on all the various devices I have. Only thing I wish it had a dedicated pause/play button as not all apps support just pressing the select button for that.
 

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The TS4Ks biggest strength is definitely the remote. It's the best small form factor remote I have on all the various devices I have. Only thing I wish it had a dedicated pause/play button as not all apps support just pressing the select button for that.
That's my biggest with issue with streaming in general. There are so many different apps and they are all inconsistent with each other, and even on different devices that it gets very annoying switching between them. I wish there was just a standard stream player you could install that could handle streams from all the different providers. That's why for a while I was trying to do as much as possible via Amazon including Amazon Channels to get a consistent playback interface, but now there are many services/shows you can't get via Amazon so that's out the window.
 

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That's my biggest with issue with streaming in general. There are so many different apps and they are all inconsistent with each other, and even on different devices that it gets very annoying switching between them. I wish there was just a standard stream player you could install that could handle streams from all the different providers. That's why for a while I was trying to do as much as possible via Amazon including Amazon Channels to get a consistent playback interface, but now there are many services/shows you can't get via Amazon so that's out the window.
The Apple TV does the best job of standardizing this out of the units I've tried. It has a 10s skip forward and back that works in every app. As well as pause/play and back buttons that work consistently across apps. Problem is the included remote SUCKS! Using a Harmony remote instead works well though so if you can get past the sticker shock of the two devices it's a good setup.
 

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The Apple TV does the best job of standardizing this out of the units I've tried.......Problem is the included remote SUCKS! Using a Harmony remote instead works well though so if you can get past the sticker shock of the two devices it's a good setup.
A more cost effective option if people don't want to spend for a Harmony is this...it's the domestic version of the Salt remote:

BUTTON REMOTE FOR APPLE TV
 

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You are in a vast minority with that opinion.

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Actually it looks like you are in the loud minority. Go on Amazon and the remote scores 4.2 average stars in the reviews of the appletv 4k.

The listing for the remote itself has a 4.7 rating and 2800 reviews.
 

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Actually not. YOU're in the loud minority.
And that's without scrolling further down or diving into more threads on Reddit, apple forums, macrumors and so on and so on and so on. But I guess the majority of professional reviews and a plethora of user based threads on multiple forum sites are wrong, and you're right. Got it.

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And that's without scrolling further down or diving into more threads on Reddit, apple forums, macrumors and so on and so on and so on. But I guess the majority of professional reviews and a plethora of user based threads on multiple forum sites are wrong, and you're right. Got it.

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IT's called the loud minority. Go on Amazon, you'll see plenty of complaints about the remote. But yet it still has 4.2 stars for the remote feature. Go to the remote listing and you'll see 2800 reviews and 4.7 star average.
 

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Its only been talked about for the past month or so...

And no confirmation of usb-c. Could be micro with the Ethernet charger like the ultra since Google takes the path of least resistance. If so, it's all yours and going back to the previous decade of using otg adapters. And the remote looks like crap. Just another sign they can't get out of Apple's shadow. If they were serious, it would be a more useful remote, not another generic minimalist streamer remote. Even funnier is its pretty much their key feature over the CCU.

I'll stick with the TS4k for now. Will maybe give it a go when a deal at $50 or under can be had.

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lol you said show me an android box under $100 besides the Tivo STream 4k...:rolleyes:

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You shouldn't need a case to protect a glass remote. A remote should not be perfectly symmetrical where it's easy to use it upside down. A remote should be ergonomic to fit in your hand so your fingertips naturally fall on the buttons you use most. Sorry. When it's plain to see form clearly trumped function

And we all know a majority of Apple owners are lemmings. They love anything Apple and just say take my money anytime something new comes out. You point to Amazon's listing for the remote. The remote isn't something people are buying on their own just to have a remote. They are buying it to replace their lost/broken remote. It's a needed item for their ATV. Big difference than buying an item on its own outright and reviewing it on its own merits.

And of course the most popular reviews are the ones calling it trash. A popular 5 star review...works perfectly and synced flawlessly. Not really a stellar review of the remote. Just that it does what a replacement OEM remote should do. Another says it's great because they can't work their atv without it. Another glowing review:
"Easily read by Apple TV and ready to use with no problems." Well duh. It's the OEM remote. But nothing about the actual design and overall functionality. Even the good reviews mention something negative about the design.

5*... Bought to replace a shattered remote. Bought a case for this one. In what world is it normal to buy a case for a remote? And 5*'s for a remote that got shattered and forced them to buy a new one? Yeah. That makes sense. Apple's favorite customer.

All the less than 5* reviews talk about it's poor design, glass breaks, it's slippery and needs a case, lack of buttons, overly sensitive TouchPad and so forth.

Heck, the big complaints about it being to symmetrical and using it upside down wasn't addressed by making a more ergonomic design. They just put a ring around the one button so you had to feel to make sure you are holding it right.

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