[JolDC]

the poll here says otherwise
and TCF users are important

As you already know, the poll is mainly going to be answered by those who miss the live guide. And important or not, a few thousand "power" users in TCF can't offset the stats of a couple millions user data points from all users that TiVo can see.

I hope they add it back as an option, but too many here are acting like TiVo made this choice capriciously and some act like TiVo did it to personally slight them directly.

 

[TonyD79]

Because the don't spend their whole life watching TV and/or find they can be happy with most any show in the categories they have come to like?

Regarding restaurants, most people I eat with are amazed how quick I pick something and don't worry about what else I might like. I tell them I like pretty much like everything so anything is fine, and I can not remember the last time I didn't enjoy a meal out and I eat out several times a week.

I really do feel sorry for those that are so picky about things that they spend most of there lives being unhappy with whatever, and/or fretting about getting it just right. While I can understand some of that for some things in life I am certainly not going to spend a whole lot of time worrying about what I watch on TV, but do plead guilty, to some extend, when it comes to movies I watch in the theater.

Okay. That is a load of nonsense. Who says anyone is being picky or is spending a ton of time? Don't make it out to be the Mideast Peace Accords. But to assume you know what you want to watch means you have no idea what you want to watch if you go in with only a pre-mindset, which strictly using search is. Even if you know that you like Show XYZ, how do you know to search for it on any given day. Say it is syndicated or you want to catch up on reruns. Do you search for every show you ever wanted to see or do you glance through a guide and say "Hey, channel JKL is rerunning XYZ! I haven't seen that in years!"

 

[TonyD79]

As you already know, the poll is mainly going to be answered by those who miss the live guide. And important or not, a few thousand "power" users in TCF can't offset the stats of a couple millions user data points from all users that TiVo can see.

I hope they add it back as an option, but too many here are acting like TiVo made this choice capriciously and some act like TiVo did it to personally slight them directly.

It's a religion. Don't bash your head in trying to make any sense of it.

A cult related to the one who said it was wrong to put a disk usage percentage on a DVR.

 

[Mikeguy]

The live guide for the Bolt looks ugly and half-baked.

Really? I didn't recall that and so just called it up--I don't see it as ugly or half-baked at all (albeit, TiVo's color choice and flatness makes it look a bit stark/garish). And certainly, at least to me, it looks better than the grid view, which looks crowded and squished together.

 

[TonyD79]

Oh, bring back the Live Guide as an option so we can all get on Hydra and work at making it better.

And there will be less of a high pitched annoying noise (whine) on the forum.

 

[SydniusToo]

I would disagree

Allow me to disdisagree.

Minis die daily. 'nuff said. Even for alpha software, that is unacceptable.
When they fix it, I'll love it mostly. The transparency on the playing bar is worth all the other odd design choices.

 

[atmuscarella]

But to assume you know what you want to watch means you have no idea what you want to watch...

Or it means I don't care that much and find any number of shows as acceptable as others and have no need for a huge selection of choices. But remember I was responding to your post that said:

"So you just let someone else decide for you. Based upon some suspect algorithm.

Okay. So the restaurant will just serve you what they want to.

Or just restrict you to one part of the menu.

Why would anyone want to limit themselves?"​

With the primary focus being the last line that I highlighted above, with my response being:

"Because the don't spend their whole life watching TV and/or find they can be happy with most any show in the categories they have come to like?"
​

If that doesn't make sense to you fine, but it is not a "load of nonsense", it is just a different view on the importance of what one watches.

Do you search for every show you ever wanted to see or do you glance through a guide and say "Hey, channel JKL is rerunning XYZ! I haven't seen that in years!"

I do neither, I setup season passes the few times a year the OTA Networks start new seasons via looking through the live guide at those times and then just watch something out of my recordings. That gives me more choices than I need or really want, with the most likely result being I just watch what ever is at the top my list.

 

[TonyD79]

Or it means I don't care that much and find any number of shows as acceptable as others and have no need for a huge selection of choices. But remember I was responding to your post that said:

"So you just let someone else decide for you. Based upon some suspect algorithm.

Okay. So the restaurant will just serve you what they want to.

Or just restrict you to one part of the menu.

Why would anyone want to limit themselves?"​

With the primary focus being the last line that I highlighted above, with my response being:

"Because the don't spend their whole life watching TV and/or find they can be happy with most any show in the categories they have come to like?"
​

If that doesn't make sense to you fine, but it is not a "load of nonsense", it is just a different view on the importance of what one watches.

I do neither, I setup season passes the few times a year the OTA Networks start new seasons via looking through the live guide at those times and then just watch something out of my recordings. That gives me more choices than I need or really want, with the most likely result being I just watch what ever is at the top my list.

Still nonsense. You made spending a minute or two looking to see what might be interesting into "spending their whole life." That is the nonsense. Anything you buy or select, you pick from what is available. Otherwise, you wind up brushing your teeth with shaving cream. But if you take that second to pick what you want from the array on your bathroom shelf, you are NOT "spending your whole life." The nonsense is that you took a small item and made it sound like it is the entire world.

So, you just make up your mind what you want to watch once a year? Good for you. You are still limiting your choices. Things change. They add stuff that you may not know about. Don't say you don't care what you watch. You are obviously spending time to set it up. What you are also doing is locking yourself in.

THAT is limiting yourself. And that is also nonsense. Because if you don't ever look, you don't actually know if you are watching what you want to see. You are only watching what you thought you wanted to see at one time and convincing yourself you are seeing all you ever want to see.

 

[atmuscarella]

Still nonsense. You made spending a minute or two looking to see what might be interesting into "spending their whole life." That is the nonsense. Anything you buy or select, you pick from what is available. Otherwise, you wind up brushing your teeth with shaving cream. But if you take that second to pick what you want from the array on your bathroom shelf, you are NOT "spending your whole life." The nonsense is that you took a small item and made it sound like it is the entire world.

So, you just make up your mind what you want to watch once a year? Good for you. You are still limiting your choices. Things change. They add stuff that you may not know about. Don't say you don't care what you watch. You are obviously spending time to set it up. What you are also doing is locking yourself in.

THAT is limiting yourself. And that is also nonsense. Because if you don't ever look, you don't actually know if you are watching what you want to see. You are only watching what you thought you wanted to see at one time and convincing yourself you are seeing all you ever want to see.

You are amusing.

You posed the question: "Why would anyone want to limit themselves?" I gave you an answer, unfortunately the fact that some people (including me) have no problems "limiting themselves" when it comes to what we watch on TV and really are fine with watching anything within a broad category apparently just doesn't compute with you.

So just to be clear I intentionally severely limit what I watch on TV. To start I do not subscribe to any pay TV service and only watch what is available via OTA. I know I am good with most 1 hr. dramas so I just record them all, this provides way more TV than I am ever going to watch. Sure I end up liking some more than others and even delete a few one passes but in the end I have more than enough to watch that I do like.

My attitude is simple, it is only TV if I miss something I might like so what?

Just for amusement I will tell you a story about my mother, she decided to start getting DVDs/Blu-rays from the library, I asked her how she was picking the movies - she said I just started at the top - meaning the top shelf, she is going through movies in order - She does not care what movie she watches - when she goes back to the library she just picks the next one - because it doesn't matter to her that much what it is.

 

[Johnwashere]

I've had tivo for 15+ years and on the new interface. I dont understand what the big deal about this live guide is? I am not even totally sure what it is, I have no issues with the new guide or the last guide setup. I actually like this new guide much better. People always just seem to complain with any big upgrade or change with any piece of tech...

 

[DancnDude]

The deal for me usually goes something like this:
"There's this show on Fox I wanted to watch and I forget what it's called, but I'll remember when I see it."

So you can pull up Fox and then just scroll down quickly through days of show info until you find it. If you don't know the name of the show you are looking for, this was the easiest way to browse a station's worth of upcoming shows.

Same for discovering movies, you could scroll through days worth of movies showing on Starz and set a bunch of them to record. It would take forever to do that in the grid guide.

 

[Rkkeller]

I hardly ever use the Live Guide. I have 103 OP's and mostly use the grid guide to go day by day prime time to see if anything else to record. I start at Mon 8pm/9pm then skip to the next day, then skip and so on. I don't need to scroll thru hours and days of stuff for every channel.

 

[sangs]

The deal for me usually goes something like this:
"There's this show on Fox I wanted to watch and I forget what it's called, but I'll remember when I see it."

So you can pull up Fox and then just scroll down quickly through days of show info until you find it. If you don't know the name of the show you are looking for, this was the easiest way to browse a station's worth of upcoming shows.

Same for discovering movies, you could scroll through days worth of movies showing on Starz and set a bunch of them to record. It would take forever to do that in the grid guide.

Movies was the big one for me. Just calling up HBO, MAX, Starz, HDNet Movies, Epix, etc. and scrolling through the next 14 days of what was available on each premium channel was very easy with Live Guide. I'll just do it through the app now I guess.

 

[chrishicks]

I've had tivo for 15+ years and on the new interface. I dont understand what the big deal about this live guide is? I am not even totally sure what it is, I have no issues with the new guide or the last guide setup. I actually like this new guide much better. People always just seem to complain with any big upgrade or change with any piece of tech...

Were you always a Grid Guide user? This is the Grid Guide prior to Hydra since you don't seem to know which is which and what you were using prior:

I have always been a Live Guide user which is like this:

For almost 15 years that is the guide I and others have used. It's one of the reasons why many of us stayed with Tivo over something else because we are accustomed to it. Once you start stripping away things that users are accustomed to that product no longer seems as attractive as it once did which is why I believe some people are upset of the lack of Live Guide(among other things) in Hydra.

I'll give a personal example of why I like the Live Guide. I have a Roamio and an X1. My Tivo is still running the old UI. My X1 has the fancy look with all the pictures and everything the same way Hydra does. The X1 has a Grid Guide while my Tivo still has the Live Guide. If I want to see what's on HBO today for the 12 hours I'm going to be gone I can do that by just bringing up HBO in the Live Guide and seeing the entire daily schedule in a single view. On my X1 I have to scroll and scroll and scroll some more because like the Grid Guide in Tivo the X1 only shows the next 2 hours at a time. The Live Guide provides less button clicks combined with more info which is a convenience for me and why I prefer it. It may sound trivial but to many of us it isn't.

Just because the Grid Guide works for some doesn't mean it works for all is all some of us are saying even if some get a bit extreme about it.

 

[TonyD79]

Just for amusement I will tell you a story about my mother, she decided to start getting DVDs/Blu-rays from the library, I asked her how she was picking the movies - she said I just started at the top - meaning the top shelf, she is going through movies in order - She does not care what movie she watches - when she goes back to the library she just picks the next one - because it doesn't matter to her that much what it is.

Good story. Must be genetic.

Peace.

 

[TivoJD]

I personally like the grid guide better, if I want to scan HBO which includes 7 channels, I can fit all channels on screen and then just scroll right instead of having to look at each channel separately. It's all what you like, neither is better than the other. They both have their purposes.

 

[TonyD79]

The deal for me usually goes something like this:
"There's this show on Fox I wanted to watch and I forget what it's called, but I'll remember when I see it."

So you can pull up Fox and then just scroll down quickly through days of show info until you find it. If you don't know the name of the show you are looking for, this was the easiest way to browse a station's worth of upcoming shows.

Same for discovering movies, you could scroll through days worth of movies showing on Starz and set a bunch of them to record. It would take forever to do that in the grid guide.

You do know you can scroll to the right on the grid guide, correct?

As for movies, I don't think so. You have to do each channel (even if the same family like Starz!) to view the stuff. Set the grid so it shows 10 movie channels and you just zip through, seeing them all at once. I have five HD Starz! channels. If you only have one channel to look at, sure. But when you have to look at several, the Live Guide is actually slower.

 

[PSU_Sudzi]

You do know you can scroll to the right on the grid guide, correct?

As for movies, I don't think so. You have to do each channel (even if the same family like Starz!) to view the stuff. Set the grid so it shows 10 movie channels and you just zip through, seeing them all at once. I have five HD Starz! channels. If you only have one channel to look at, sure. But when you have to look at several, the Live Guide is actually slower.

Yes you can scroll right but it takes forever to go through 24 hours of shows, let alone a couple of days. To most Live Guide fans, we would rather go channel by channel (even if it means going through quite a few channels) to see what's on. Every night I sit down to watch TV, I pull up the Live Guide and go out until the end of the guide (about 2 weeks) and see what's on prime time on the channels I watch most and look for any new shows or specials. On Mondays we receive the new listings which takes it out 2 Saturdays ahead--at that point I scan through all of my premiums for that weekend as new movies usually premiere on Fridays or Saturdays and I may catch something I don't have a wish list set up for. Trying to do that with Hydra was brutal.

 

[TonyD79]

Yes you can scroll right but it takes forever to go through 24 hours of shows, let alone a couple of days. To most Live Guide fans, we would rather go channel by channel (even if it means going through quite a few channels) to see what's on. Every night I sit down to watch TV, I pull up the Live Guide and go out until the end of the guide (about 2 weeks) and see what's on prime time on the channels I watch most and look for any new shows or specials. On Mondays we receive the new listings which takes it out 2 Saturdays ahead--at that point I scan through all of my premiums for that weekend as new movies usually premiere on Fridays or Saturdays and I may catch something I don't have a wish list set up for. Trying to do that with Hydra was brutal.

Do it your way but it does NOT take forever to scroll through the grid guide. You are just perpetuating the idea that you would rather do it the way you are used to than be efficient: "To most Live Guide fans, we would rather go channel by channel (even if it means going through quite a few channels)"

I have done exactly what you are saying with grid guides for years on a variety of systems. And if I see a movie I want to record that is on HBO and HBO West, with the grid guide, I can pick the showing I want so that it does not interfere with my viewing. Say a 1 am showing rather than a 10 pm. All on the same screen.

I love the rationalizations. Just like a religion. Reminds me of all the rationalizations on why Tivo should never have a disk space used indicator. Just as tortuous.

But I hope you get what you want so you can move forward. Good luck!

 

[PSU_Sudzi]

Do it your way but it does NOT take forever to scroll through the grid guide. You are just perpetuating the idea that you would rather do it the way you are used to than be efficient: "To most Live Guide fans, we would rather go channel by channel (even if it means going through quite a few channels)"

I have done exactly what you are saying with grid guides for years on a variety of systems. And if I see a movie I want to record that is on HBO and HBO West, with the grid guide, I can pick the showing I want so that it does not interfere with my viewing. Say a 1 am showing rather than a 10 pm. All on the same screen.

I love the rationalizations. Just like a religion. Reminds me of all the rationalizations on why Tivo should never have a disk space used indicator. Just as tortuous.

But I hope you get what you want so you can move forward. Good luck!

Its your opinion that the Grid Guide is more efficient for what I want to do, I disagree and think its inefficient.