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i think the best option for me is since I have a lot of recordings is to just get a 6 tuner first generation bolt install an 8tb drive in it and reformat it using the mfsr reformator software and transfer all the recordings to the new bolt from my romio pro as i would only lose 2 or 3 copy protected programs and then upgrade the bolt to the hydra system like i did with my other bolt as it works great on the bolts then install an 8tb drive in the romio and reformat that drive using mfsr reformator software then I can wipe the 6tb drive I installed in 2015 in my romio and use it to back up all my recordings i want to get off and save from my other tivos but be able to use my romio instead of my premier as a transfering device for backing up and transfering back recordings with the pyi software utilizing the romio to transfer back recordings then i can use tivo online if I need to move recordings to the bolts if I have to until either tivo comes up with a fix for the hydra system or the developer of the pyi software comes up with a software update to allow the transfer recordings back function to work with the hydra system.
 

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Did this effect cable card pairing at all?
I just may have found a way to downgrade from hydra back to the classic platform without losing recordings but in my case i am using my romio to try and restore my original hard drive on my premiers recordings and tivo online was not working so I pulled out my 6tb normal drive i use, but when put a 3tb spare drive in my romio it was still in the hydra platform so I just rolled back to the classic platform on my 3tb drive my hope is i can now deploy my premier recordings from a spare premier drive to this drive and re upgrade or at least plug back in the other drive and still have my recordings their on my regular 6 tb romio drive, as I understand the romios do not have the same issues as the bolts do with each time you unplug a hard drive it reformats it and you lose your recordings.
 

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I upgraded/installed TE4 when it first came out, over the last few weeks my Roamio 4 has been getting worse and worse, slow response, stupid ads at the bottom, rebooting more and more often. So I bit the bullet this morning and "downgraded", I call it an upgrade, to TE3. i couldn't be happier. TE4 is/was lousy and I'm glad to be rid of it, so is my entertainment co-coordinator. The TE4 and the merger/buyout almost pushed me to putting the Roamio on eBay but as long as I can stick with TE3 and the old box keeps working I'm happy again. TE4, what a POS.
I guess you did not care about losing your recordings, but if it had been me, before i downgraded, I would have removed your regular hard drive from your romio and stuck another 3tb drive in it let it auto format then proceded with the downgrade as i think with the romios you only lose the recordings on the drive that is installed during the downgrade process, then put the regular drive back in and checked to see if the recordings are still their, in my case to create a restore drive for my series 4 as the software became corupted and tivo online was not working correctly to deploy to either my romio or bolt, I removed my expanded 6tb drive from my romio that I created using mffs reformator in 2015, and stuck temporarily a 3tb drive in my romio, let it format then went through the downgrade process, with that drive in and then miraculously using the old transfer a recording directly feature worked, so after i created the restore drive I reupgraded back to hydra before putting my regular hard drive in and my recordings were still their.
 

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I would be curios if someone could test what I did and take it a step further with the romio and see if the recordings would still be there on the normal drive, after going through the downgrade on another hard drive without reupgrading back to hydra before putting the normal hard drive back in, with the bolt it would be hopeless and more chalenging, but as far as hydra is concerned the graphics might look great,but if you can't retain the features of the classic platform,and especially with the romios it acts really weird with constant restarting, and the rolling ads really slow down both the romios and bolts. But especially screw up the romios and cause them to restart constantly.
 

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Sounds like a science project and I'm not really interested in a science project, I just want a device that is intuitive and works; I have that now.
Got you, i want the same thing in my case it just turned into a science project, more out of frustration, but with time I will get everything the way i want, I just wish it were simpler, I like forward to when I can permanently downgrade my romio back to the classic platform. But my final piece of advice would be, if you also have tivo desktop plus now that you have downgraded would be to also download tivo py so you can back up but once again be able to transfer recordings back to your romio if you need to, without frustration. Glad you are satisfied though.
 

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I haven't read all 30 pages here, but if I decide to downgrade, are the instructions on Page 1 still correct?
Yes I followed them around 3 weeks ago to temporarily downgrade my romio with a different drive in it so i could pull recordings out of my series 4, as that software had become corrupted and I had to create a restore drive in my romio to preserve the recordings and when I reuograded back in my romio the recordings on my normal romio drive was still intact, but whatever you do before you downgrade try and back up your recordings, if you care about them if not go ahead and proceed with the downgrade process,but if you care about your recordings and do not have any other tivos running the classic platform then you need to download tivo py from that forum and use that software as that is the only way to back them up and transfer them into your computer. Although it does not always accurately transfer in the program guides and information and the dates, if you do have other devices running the classic platforms then you would want to transfer directly your recordings into that device and also use tivo desktop plus just to transfer them into your computer from any device still running the classic platform, and tgen thanks to tivo py sharing the folder with tivo desktop plus you can transfer them back once again to any device running the classic platform, I hope this extra information helps you.
 

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I also did this recently on a couple of units. Most went smooth, but one got stuck in a reboot loop. For that one, I kept hitting ok as fast as I could, and it eventually broke out of the loop.
When i did my temporary roll back it went smoothly and only took about 15 minutes on my romio, I will do a permanent roll back after I find and purchase a used 6 tuner non vox bolt and mount externally an 8tb red drive on top and finish transfering the recordings directly, and then upgrade that device to hydra, then hopefully finally I can retire my series 4 as my computer interface device, and replace it with my romio, as my computer interface device, then, I would only need my series 4 in case if I needed to pull recordings from the other devices in case of any hardware failures or software corruption. It is the only way for me to workaround tivos insistence on rolling out software platforms without making sure their are no bugs or glitches in the software and they retain all the features of the classic platform, graphics, are not everything, especially if it does not work well on the romios, with the bolts dthe the hydra system works pretty well but with the romios and the ad deployments it cannot handle it properly and seems to with my romio pro restart at least once or twice a week. Thankfully with the romios you can remove a hard drive and put other drives in it and roll back and forth between the 2 platforms and not lose your recordings each time you put the regular hard drive back in. Like with the bolts, I may soon purchase another 6tb drive and create a recordings restore drive for my bolt as well, in case something goes wrong with that device. So I can protect the recordings in my bolt as well, in case I have to roll it back also.
 

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When i did my temporary roll back it went smoothly and only took about 15 minutes on my romio, I will do a permanent roll back after I find and purchase a used 6 tuner non vox bolt and mount externally an 8tb red drive on top and finish transfering the recordings directly, and then upgrade that device to hydra, then hopefully finally I can retire my series 4 as my computer interface device, and replace it with my romio, as my computer interface device, then, I would only need my series 4 in case if I needed to pull recordings from the other devices in case of any hardware failures or software corruption. It is the only way for me to workaround tivos insistence on rolling out software platforms without making sure their are no bugs or glitches in the software and they retain all the features of the classic platform, graphics, are not everything, especially if it does not work well on the romios, with the bolts dthe the hydra system works pretty well but with the romios and the ad deployments it cannot handle it properly and seems to with my romio pro restart at least once or twice a week. Thankfully with the romios you can remove a hard drive and put other drives in it and roll back and forth between the 2 platforms and not lose your recordings each time you put the regular hard drive back in. Like with the bolts, I may soon purchase another 6tb drive and create a recordings restore drive for my bolt as well, in case something goes wrong with that device. So I can protect the recordings in my bolt as well, in case I have to roll it back also.
I guess a simple way of putting it, is if you have a romio as well as other tivo devices such as a bolt or series 4 or even other devices you should using other hard drives and the rollback procedures create multiple back up drives, so if you need to restore recordings to other tivo devices you can if they originally ran the classic platform, and it is especially a good idea if you have a tivo bolt that is a non vox model because each time you unplug the hard drive and back in it just automatically reformats it and you lose your recordings.
 

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I guess a simple way of putting it, is if you have a romio as well as other tivo devices such as a bolt or series 4 or even other devices you should using other hard drives and the rollback procedures create multiple back up drives, so if you need to restore recordings to other tivo devices you can if they originally ran the classic platform, and it is especially a good idea if you have a tivo bolt that is a non vox model because each time you unplug the hard drive and back in it just automatically reformats it and you lose your recordings.
Another suggestion is after you do a roll back is to run the tivo through the clear and delete everything cycle and then repeat guided setup so it clears out any file or recording or folder or software fragmentation, thats why your romio might have gotten stuck. Tivo threw a lot of junk in their software.
 

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I did this for my TiVo Roamio OTA yesterday and then both of my TiVo Minis. It works well, but as already mentioned, it is time consuming!

When I originally upgraded, I had mixed feelings about performing the upgrade. It was something of an experiment to see of I would like it better. My wife, who is the main user of the Roamio OTA, said it probably wouldn't matter much to her.

My motivation to downgrade was because of my interface with Tivo Minis and Slingboxes. I have both a Slingbox PRO-HD and 500. When the Minis go dark after a period of unuse, it seemed easier to "wake them up" under the legacy firmware, via the Slingboxes, than under Hydra. Perhaps I need to look at the Standby settings.
yes with the romios at least nowadays the hydra interface is very overwhelming, on the processor. To answer yours and others questions about the bolt, the hydra interface is much less overwelming on it, and works quite well, but with the romios this started around 6 months ago, as i had upgraded my bolt and romio back in 2018, thats why I am glad my experiment worked with using my romio and temporarely rolling back to create a restore drive, for my series 4, but in what i am doing it is even more time consuming, but well worth it to know how to get things working the way I want to. I just wish I did not have to resort to doing scientific experiments just to get all my tivos working the way they use too. It was not like this until around 2018, with backing up your recordings and being able to transfer your recordings to other tivos it used to be so simple, but nowadays it just makes you want to pull your hair out, at least in the non hydra platform you can still pull recordings easily and completely, vs using tivo online which is horrible and does not work. it is also the same with backing up your recordings into your computer, with the hydra system. Anyway enough of my venting I hope my previose posts even if lengthy and very detailed, help at least some with some other ways to preserve thier recordings before they go through the downgrade process permanantely.
 

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THanks for this thread. I just upgraded to a Roamio recently off of E-Bay as I have just been using 2 old Tivo HD models for my over the air viewing. I had a bunch of shows I wanted to be able to transfer over to the new Tivo for my wife to finish watching, and doing the downgrade allowed me to do this easily. I also was able to catch it before too much had recorded on the new main Tivo in our house. Once I have most of the shows that we may want transferred over, I may upgrade again, but will make that decision later.
I would advise against upgrading the romio back to the hydra interface with the bolts at this point they work okay with the hydra interface but over the past couple of months, their have been some bad software updates with the hydra platform with being able to download the program guide information, I just spent money on a non vox bolt +, as i will not buy a bolt vox or edge dvr, your romio, you just bought if you leave it in the classic platform you could also create multiple hard drive backups of your HD tivo dvrs but for that you would just need 1 3tb wd red or purple drive, as the romio auto formats up to 3 tb, also if you want to go bigger check out the mffs.3.2 tools forum or the mffs reformattor forum, as for me very soon, I will be permanently downgrading my romio pro dvr, after I finish getting the rest of the recordings out of it, another reason not to upgrade back to hydra, when you do everything turns into a science project and gets way more complicated and frustrating just to do things that are easy with the classic interface, read my other replies and responses and others comments from this thread and you will understand.
 

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What is wrong with Hydra on Roamio? I still have two Roamios running Hydra. I have not had any issues with them. They have worked just as well as my two Bolts with Hydra. Which is to say they have worked great.
I am glad you have not had any issues running hydra on your romios. Unfortunately that is not the case for most people on this thread, including me. As for my bolts the issues have been a lot less, but I have still had some issues that started about 3 months ago, Thankfully if I want to I can roll my bolts back if I want to, as well. The hydra system has a lot of glitches and they took out beloved features, such as transfering recordings directly between devices. Also with hydra even if you backed up your recordings using tivo py you still can not transfer them back to any devices using hydra. With devices running the classic platform you can still use tivo desktop to transfer your recordings into a computer and then with tivo py's interface transfer recordings back to any tivo using the classic platform or even use tivo py to do both, if you wish, again things that long time hard core tivo users like myself loved for years about tivo. Also like most tivo users I just want something that works and runs smoothly and works the way I need it too, without constant restarts, or having to call tivo to get them to stop pre roll ads, which is a real disservice to lifetime subscription tivo users. I could go on for hours and hours, but I think I have made my point and expressed well, what most users on this thread have said.
 

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I can't say I've had constant restarts. The pre roll ads are a pain though if they come back after being removed.
But Like my Bolts I can still transfer my recordings automatically to a PC. I don't need to transfer them back since I can just stream content between TiVos. Or stream the content from the PC using Plex.

It also helps that I'm not as reliant on my TiVos as I was five or ten years ago. Because of the bad video quality on FiOS( which has progressively gotten worse over the last five or six years), I now watch the majority of my content from streaming services. Which have much better video quality than both FiOS and Comcast. If the video quality never deteriorated so much, then I would still be watching most of my content from my TiVo recordings. But the detail is just not there anymore since it is compressed so much.
I also have plex, but it will not play my tivo recordings transfered to my desktop, also tivo desktop will no longer let me transfer recordings into my computer from my tivo's running hydra, I can do it from my series 4 and soon my romio again. Also tivo online is very unreliable in completely transfering recordings, vs if I initiate a transfer a recording directly using the classic platform, that almost always transfers the recording completely, like you I have used tivo's for a long time, since 2013, and I have a series 4 my very first tivo that I use now as an interface tivo for my computer, a romio pro I bought 6 months after my first one that has an mffs reformated 6tb green drive , and a 4 tuner bolt with a mffs reformated 6tb red drive, and courtesy of Amazon, a non vox 6 tuner bolt +. I just got a month ago,with a mffs reformated red 8tb drive mounted externally on both bolts, and I managed to transfer all the recordings I wanted from the romio to the bolt plus before upgrading it to hydra. Now I need to just finish moving recordings from the romio to the series 4 temporarily before doing a permanent downgrade on my romio pro, then transfer everything from my series 4 to the romio, then I can retire my series 4. 2 months ago using a new 3 tb hard drive, after removing the 6tb, I performed the downgrade procedure on my romio so I could create a backup of my series 4 recordings. After tivo online did not work correctly to move my recordings temporarily from my series 4. That worked without a problem after that I reupgraded to hydra before putting my 6tb drive back in. After I finish getting the rest of my recordings out of my romio that I want, I am going to use my original 3tb hard drive for my romio to do the downgrade and then see if the recordings stay intact on the 6tb drive, without having to upgrade back to the hydra platform, if that works, I will post here, but I know with bolts that will not work, where with the romios you can create multiple recording drives for them to create backups of other tivos and change hard drives without losing any recordings if you put the original hard drive back in. With the bolt and newer tivos you can't do that.
 

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I also have plex, but it will not play my tivo recordings transfered to my desktop, also tivo desktop will no longer let me transfer recordings into my computer from my tivo's running hydra, I can do it from my series 4 and soon my romio again. Also tivo online is very unreliable in completely transfering recordings, vs if I initiate a transfer a recording directly using the classic platform, that almost always transfers the recording completely, like you I have used tivo's for a long time, since 2013, and I have a series 4 my very first tivo that I use now as an interface tivo for my computer, a romio pro I bought 6 months after my first one that has an mffs reformated 6tb green drive , and a 4 tuner bolt with a mffs reformated 6tb red drive, and courtesy of Amazon, a non vox 6 tuner bolt +. I just got a month ago,with a mffs reformated red 8tb drive mounted externally on both bolts, and I managed to transfer all the recordings I wanted from the romio to the bolt plus before upgrading it to hydra. Now I need to just finish moving recordings from the romio to the series 4 temporarily before doing a permanent downgrade on my romio pro, then transfer everything from my series 4 to the romio, then I can retire my series 4. 2 months ago using a new 3 tb hard drive, after removing the 6tb, I performed the downgrade procedure on my romio so I could create a backup of my series 4 recordings. After tivo online did not work correctly to move my recordings temporarily from my series 4. That worked without a problem after that I reupgraded to hydra before putting my 6tb drive back in. After I finish getting the rest of my recordings out of my romio that I want, I am going to use my original 3tb hard drive for my romio to do the downgrade and then see if the recordings stay intact on the 6tb drive, without having to upgrade back to the hydra platform, if that works, I will post here, but I know with bolts that will not work, where with the romios you can create multiple recording drives for them to create backups of other tivos and change hard drives without losing any recordings if you put the original hard drive back in. With the bolt and newer tivos you can't do that.
Thats is another reason why I recomend downgrading romios back to the classic platform and leaving them running the classic interface if you have bolts or newer tivos running on hydra, to simplify what I am saying is if you are going to run any tivos on hydra you should have at least one tivo running the classic platform. so if anything goes wrong with the other tivos you can back up the recordings from the other tivos, and restore them later if needed. Also like you ,I do use my bolts for a lot more streaming these days vs recording, and with the bolts the hydra system does work better for streaming services with the picture quality vs the classic platform, but with the romios certain streaming apps like Amazon prime,and Hulu, and vudu, do not work well at all with romios running hydra, and with my romio loading Amazon prime would cause the romio to restart often. Also I have Comcast and I noticed the picture quality looked crappy on romios running hydra, but with my bolts the picture quality looks greatly improved running hydra, but about once or twice a month, if I load Hulu on my bolts the screen goes blank and Hulu will not load or says playback failure and I have to restart the bolt to get Hulu to work correctly, with sometimes even having to unplug my bolt just to restart it.
 

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Still has not happened with bringing back the functionality in hydra vs classic platform referenced above and it is 2020, I am almost their where I can permanetely revert my romio back to the classic platform, I am finishing using a series 4 tivo to get the rest of my recordings backed up, from my romio, and then I am going to use my original hard drive to revert back and see if my recordings stay intact on my regular hard drive in my romio pro, as I believe with romios you only lose your settings and recordings on the hard drive you perform the roll back procedure on, if everything goes smoothly and the recordings and settings are intact on my 6tb drive, then I will post and let this forum know,

With bolts you have to transfer and back up all recordings before you perform any roll back procedures or even disconnect any hard drives as it will reformat, but with bolts you can copy and expand to a bigger hard drive without losing recordings or settings, but if you plug in the original hard drive you lose everything on both drives, with romios you can swap different hard drives back and forth without losing recordings or settings on the different hard drives, without it trying to auto format like the bolts, and thats where romios are great you can stick any hard drive in it up to 3tbs and it will auto format them, anything bigger you need to use mffs tools 3.2 or mffs reformator which works on drives up to 8tbs, which means once you revert your romio back permantely you can create multiple backups on other tivos including bolts and then revert them and transfer recordings back directly, in case their are glitches with tivo py transfering the recordings in, I find tivo desktop plus works best transfering recordings in but only works now with classic platform, and then using tivo py which shares the folder with tivo desktop and then allows the transfer back of any recordings to any tivo running the classic platform and not hydra.
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Feel like this parallel thread (discussing the inability to downgrade older A92/A93 Minis from TE4 to TE3) should be mentioned here...

See: Trying to Move Mini from TE4 host to a TE3 Host

Question first is the bolt you mentioned a bolt vox that can not be downgraded or is it a bolt that came with the classic platform, or te3 if that is the case you need to downgrade that bolt back to te3 or the classic platform then proceed with the downgrade instructions for the tivo mini unless it is a newer mini that came preloaded with te4.

In my case I have not used my mini since 2014, as it gave me issues when it was connected to my romio pro after a software update, so I brought my series 4 premier tivo out of retirement, and since then it has been a lifesaver when dealing with all the issues since hydra came out with preserving and backing up recordings and transfering them when everything else failed, but now I am working on finishing up a few things and testing a way to downgrade my romio without losing the recordings or settings on the regular drive I use, but with bolts this will not work, also if you can downgrade the specific bolt you mentioned, don't forget to back up or transfer any recordings you want to keep directly into any tivos running te3 or the classic platform, and if you do have tivo desktop use that to transfer any recordings into your computer and then use tivo py to transfer back once you have completed any downgrades.
 

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Question first is the bolt you mentioned a bolt vox that can not be downgraded or is it a bolt that came with the classic platform, or te3 if that is the case you need to downgrade that bolt back to te3 or the classic platform then proceed with the downgrade instructions for the tivo mini unless it is a newer mini that came preloaded with te4.

In my case I have not used my mini since 2014, as it gave me issues when it was connected to my romio pro after a software update, so I brought my series 4 premier tivo out of retirement, and since then it has been a lifesaver when dealing with all the issues since hydra came out with preserving and backing up recordings and transfering them when everything else failed, but now I am working on finishing up a few things and testing a way to downgrade my romio without losing the recordings or settings on the regular drive I use, but with bolts this will not work, also if you can downgrade the specific bolt you mentioned, don't forget to back up or transfer any recordings you want to keep directly into any tivos running te3 or the classic platform, and if you do have tivo desktop use that to transfer any recordings into your computer and then use tivo py to transfer back once you have completed any downgrades.
Also 1 other note tivo desktop only works now for transfering recordings in on tivos running te3 or the classic platform, not the hydra system since January of 2020, due to tivo not renewing the certificates to allow that.
 

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The referenced thread involves inability to downgrade older A92/A93 Minis, not DVRs.
Understand that but if the mini is an older mini it should be able to connect to a downgraded tivo, since it would have connected with no issues to dvrs running the classic platform, previosely, thats why I asked if the referenced bolt you mentioned that the mini still works with is a bolt, that can be downgraded, if it cannot be downgraded that might be part of what is causing the issue you referenced,

And just for a point of reference if that particular bolt came preloaded with hydra or te4, than that can not be downgraded, so for a point of reference any bolts labeled bolt vox cannot be downgraded because it came preloaded already with hydra or te4, and edge dvrs are the same, thats why I will never buy any tivo after the the original bolts. And for a reference point, if the bolt or bolt + has the label bolt vox, then that could be part of the issue, as they came already running the hydra platform, from the factory, which started in 2018. Any bolt manufactured prior to 2018 came still running the classic blue screen platform, and can be downgraded.

Anyway I hoped I was able to help you try and figure out what is causing you to have trouble downgrading the particular mini you referenced, because you should be able to get it downgraded, but in order to do that you need to first connect it to a tivo running the older classic platform and then follow the instructions for downgrading a mini. Referenced in the first part of this forum, as it should work if you connect back into a tivo running the classic platform.
 

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Understand that but if the mini is an older mini it should be able to connect to a downgraded tivo, since it would have connected with no issues to dvrs running the classic platform, previosely, thats why I asked if the referenced bolt you mentioned that the mini still works with is a bolt, that can be downgraded, if it cannot be downgraded that might be part of what is causing the issue you referenced,

And just for a point of reference if that particular bolt came preloaded with hydra or te4, than that can not be downgraded, so for a point of reference any bolts labeled bolt vox cannot be downgraded because it came preloaded already with hydra or te4, and edge dvrs are the same, thats why I will never buy any tivo after the the original bolts. And for a reference point, if the bolt or bolt + has the label bolt vox, then that could be part of the issue, as they came already running the hydra platform, from the factory, which started in 2018. Any bolt manufactured prior to 2018 came still running the classic blue screen platform, and can be downgraded.

Anyway I hoped I was able to help you try and figure out what is causing you to have trouble downgrading the particular mini you referenced, because you should be able to get it downgraded, but in order to do that you need to first connect it to a tivo running the older classic platform and then follow the instructions for downgrading a mini. Referenced in the first part of this forum, as it should work if you connect back into a tivo running the classic platform.
One other idea you may want to try to try and get your mini to connect to one of your dvrs running the classic platform and then allow the downgrade,is to unplug the bolt you referenced from the electrical outlet first, then try and see if the mini will then allow you to downgrade it and connect it to the tivo you want, I think their is a conflict where the mini keeps trying to connect to the bolt you referenced running hydra because that is what it has been connected too, downgrade,

that is causing a conflict, then go through the downgrade procedure for minis, and once you have sucessfully connected it to the tivo you want, then plug the bolt running hydra back in,

but by temporarily taking that particular dvr out of the equation then at least you can work on getting the mini to connect to the tivo you want to without the tivo running hydra causing a conflict, and thats why I think you are getting the cannot be downgraded error,

because if that particular bolt came preloaded with hydra from the factory then that bolt can not be downgraded, and if the mini is still connecting to that bolts software that is what is most likely causing the issue you are experiencing, again I have not used my mini since 2014, but if I remember correctly minis do not actaully have any physical software in them, it is all based on a network connection to a host tivo dvr.

I hope this step I outlined helps you resolve the trouble you are experiencing, so you can get the mini to once again work the way you want it too.
Understand that but if the mini is an older mini it should be able to connect to a downgraded tivo, since it would have connected with no issues to dvrs running the classic platform, previosely, thats why I asked if the referenced bolt you mentioned that the mini still works with is a bolt, that can be downgraded, if it cannot be downgraded that might be part of what is causing the issue you referenced,

And just for a point of reference if that particular bolt came preloaded with hydra or te4, than that can not be downgraded, so for a point of reference any bolts labeled bolt vox cannot be downgraded because it came preloaded already with hydra or te4, and edge dvrs are the same, thats why I will never buy any tivo after the the original bolts. And for a reference point, if the bolt or bolt + has the label bolt vox, then that could be part of the issue, as they came already running the hydra platform, from the factory, which started in 2018. Any bolt manufactured prior to 2018 came still running the classic blue screen platform, and can be downgraded.

Anyway I hoped I was able to help you try and figure out what is causing you to have trouble downgrading the particular mini you referenced, because you should be able to get it downgraded, but in order to do that you need to first connect it to a tivo running the older classic platform and then follow the instructions for downgrading a mini. Referenced in the first part of this forum, as it should work if you connect back into a tivo running the classic platform.
 
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