Are you on TE4? Thumbs have no impact on the new experience.
They killed off one of their best features.Any thoughts, or did Tivo kill off one of their best features?
See (May 30, 2018):So they are for a feature I don't use or care about and not available for a quite reasonable use case.
Who is the product manager that made that decision?
David Shoop posted this on Facebook a little while ago
Previously, TiVo suggestions were based on TiVo thumb data, both implicit and explicit thumbs. When a show was recorded it received an implicit 1 thumb rating. When a user modified the thumb data explicitly by pressing the thumbs up 2x or 3x times that was then used to better correlate suggested recordings.
TiVo Suggestions have been modified to use a new rule set per TiVo device. The suggestions blend both movies and series using a few "knobs and levers" to drive the suggestions rules engine. I can't give you the recipe but I will give you the high level ingredients.
- past viewing habits; e.g. adding correlated content but removing recently watched/partially watched movies or series
- time; of day, week, season
- popularity; among TiVo user population, during the last N days
- social; trending topics through social media outlets
This rules engine will get better over time and create a more user/device specific set of recommended content. Keep checking back and watch the magic happen.
Shoop has a TC login and does drop by sometimes. Don't throw him under the bus on this one though. We are in a transition period where we are combining our new, look-ahead predictive logic with the implicit/explicit thumbs data and we clearly don't have it right yet. It is completely wrong to assume that "we know better than you, your opinions don't matter any more, just trust social media." We have a high profile bug on this issue and are working on it diligently. I setup a new box to test things out and it recorded over 400 programs in just over 5 days. Nobody thinks that is the desired and/or expected behavior.
The old suggestions algorithm was very basic and relied heavily on collaborative filtering (i.e. people who liked this show also liked this other show). It also only updated ratings once per day because it is highly compute intensive and ran on the TiVo box. This means that you could thumbs-down a bunch of shows and we would keep recording them and suggesting them until the process ran again over night. The new mechanism is a web service which will be able to respond much more quickly to input from active thumbs users. It will also allow us to "tune" the algorithm quickly without needing to update the software on the box.
Create wishlist then manually delete what you don't want.What I want to do:
Create a wishlist called "mystery" to grab mysteries known and unknown.
Thumbsdown on all the stuff that matches that I don't want.
Doesn't seem to work - records everything that matches, regardless of thumbsdowning shows.
Any thoughts, or did Tivo kill off one of their best features?
(I'm a computer scientist and software product manager myself.).See (May 30, 2018):
Yes, that's what I spend my spare time doing.Create wishlist then manually delete what you don't want.
^^^ this ^^^Thumbs are for Suggestions only.
Where's this hope coming from?Anyway, glad this apparently isn't a permanent change and there is hope for the future.
You are a generous person: it's been somewhere in the neighborhood of a year-and-a-half, now. And if the issue is that big and obvious, how could the new feature have passed beta-testing to begin with and been issued?Anyway, glad this apparently isn't a permanent change and there is hope for the future.
I'm on the latest, so I presume so. Software version 21.9.2.v4-USC-11(still unanswered)
Anyway, glad this apparently isn't a permanent change and there is hope for the future.
"Hope is the thing with feathers." Emily Dickinson, after upgrading to TE4Where's this hope coming from?
I get it. I too wish TiVo was more responsive.Yes, that's what I spend my spare time doing.
Or, I could press the thumbs down button and have tivo stop recording those shows, so I don't have to manually delete stuff....
You presume correctly. 21.* == TE4.I'm on the latest, so I presume so. Software version 21.9.2.v4-USC-11
Save your spare time, you can use kmttg, it's a lot faster. I can imagine a keyword like "mystery" generates a ton of matches in the "To Do" list.Yes, that's what I spend my spare time doing.
...manually delete stuff....