Are you on TE4? Thumbs have no impact on the new experience.
Has Tivo officially given up on thumbsup/down, or is it me?
What I want to do:
Create a wishlist called "mystery" to grab mysteries known and unknown.
Thumbsdown on all the stuff that matches that I don't want.
Doesn't seem to work - records everything that matches, regardless of thumbsdowning shows.
Any thoughts, or did Tivo kill off one of their best features?
Thanks.
Create a wishlist called "mystery" to grab mysteries known and unknown.
Thumbsdown on all the stuff that matches that I don't want.
Doesn't seem to work - records everything that matches, regardless of thumbsdowning shows.
Any thoughts, or did Tivo kill off one of their best features?
Thanks.
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They killed off one of their best features.Any thoughts, or did Tivo kill off one of their best features?
Thanks.
Wow, that's just pathetic.
Thumbs are for Suggestions only.
So they are for a feature I don't use or care about and not available for a quite reasonable use case.
Who is the product manager that made that decision?
Who is the product manager that made that decision?
See (May 30, 2018):So they are for a feature I don't use or care about and not available for a quite reasonable use case.
Who is the product manager that made that decision?
David Shoop posted this on Facebook a little while ago
Previously, TiVo suggestions were based on TiVo thumb data, both implicit and explicit thumbs. When a show was recorded it received an implicit 1 thumb rating. When a user modified the thumb data explicitly by pressing the thumbs up 2x or 3x times that was then used to better correlate suggested recordings.
TiVo Suggestions have been modified to use a new rule set per TiVo device. The suggestions blend both movies and series using a few "knobs and levers" to drive the suggestions rules engine. I can't give you the recipe but I will give you the high level ingredients.
- past viewing habits; e.g. adding correlated content but removing recently watched/partially watched movies or series
- time; of day, week, season
- popularity; among TiVo user population, during the last N days
- social; trending topics through social media outlets
This rules engine will get better over time and create a more user/device specific set of recommended content. Keep checking back and watch the magic happen.
Shoop has a TC login and does drop by sometimes. Don't throw him under the bus on this one though. We are in a transition period where we are combining our new, look-ahead predictive logic with the implicit/explicit thumbs data and we clearly don't have it right yet. It is completely wrong to assume that "we know better than you, your opinions don't matter any more, just trust social media." We have a high profile bug on this issue and are working on it diligently. I setup a new box to test things out and it recorded over 400 programs in just over 5 days. Nobody thinks that is the desired and/or expected behavior.
The old suggestions algorithm was very basic and relied heavily on collaborative filtering (i.e. people who liked this show also liked this other show). It also only updated ratings once per day because it is highly compute intensive and ran on the TiVo box. This means that you could thumbs-down a bunch of shows and we would keep recording them and suggesting them until the process ran again over night. The new mechanism is a web service which will be able to respond much more quickly to input from active thumbs users. It will also allow us to "tune" the algorithm quickly without needing to update the software on the box.
Create wishlist then manually delete what you don't want.What I want to do:
Create a wishlist called "mystery" to grab mysteries known and unknown.
Thumbsdown on all the stuff that matches that I don't want.
Doesn't seem to work - records everything that matches, regardless of thumbsdowning shows.
Any thoughts, or did Tivo kill off one of their best features?
Thanks.
(I'm a computer scientist and software product manager myself.).See (May 30, 2018):
I know software is complicated and there are many aspects that go into decision making. But hard for me to imagine the decision path that lead to releasing a new release while disabling major, useful features.
Anyway, glad this apparently isn't a permanent change and there is hope for the future.
Seems to me that if a human is willing to give guidance, that is likely to be more accurate / useful than trying to get some machine learning to do the same.
I.e. give preference to what the user says (wish lists, thumbs up / down) vs. trying to guess what they want to watch via suggestions.
But hopefully tivo can get both aspects working.
One does wonder if there is a financial incentive for tivo recording given shows and if that's why suggestions are active but thumbs up/down are not...
Yes, that's what I spend my spare time doing.Create wishlist then manually delete what you don't want.
Or, I could press the thumbs down button and have tivo stop recording those shows, so I don't have to manually delete stuff....
^^^ this ^^^Thumbs are for Suggestions only.
The OP seems to be confusing pre-TE4's thumbs-based Suggestions algorithm with Wishlist recordings. Thumbs ratings were never[1] an input to the Wishlist recordings filters - though I believe the thumbs buttons *are* used, in both TE3 & TE4, when looking to refine the scope of a Wishlist keyword.
[1] I'm very open to an education on this front.
Where's this hope coming from?Anyway, glad this apparently isn't a permanent change and there is hope for the future.
(Ah, perhaps because those quoted responses didn't include the news that the ability to rate shows using the thumbs buttons was entirely removed from TE4 a few updates ago. Maybe thumbs ratings will return in the future but, at present, the TE4 Suggestions algorithm doesn't use them.)
You are a generous person: it's been somewhere in the neighborhood of a year-and-a-half, now. And if the issue is that big and obvious, how could the new feature have passed beta-testing to begin with and been issued?Anyway, glad this apparently isn't a permanent change and there is hope for the future.
I personally never used thumbs up or down and one of the first things I do after getting a new TiVo is to turn Off suggestions. I don't care either way whether they keep this or not.
(still unanswered)Are you on TE4?
I'm on the latest, so I presume so. Software version 21.9.2.v4-USC-11(still unanswered)
Anyway, glad this apparently isn't a permanent change and there is hope for the future.
"Hope is the thing with feathers." Emily Dickinson, after upgrading to TE4Where's this hope coming from?
I get it. I too wish TiVo was more responsive.Yes, that's what I spend my spare time doing.
Or, I could press the thumbs down button and have tivo stop recording those shows, so I don't have to manually delete stuff....
TiVo is a company you hate to love!!!
You presume correctly. 21.* == TE4.I'm on the latest, so I presume so. Software version 21.9.2.v4-USC-11
And so you can't rate shows using thumbs, nor are thumbs ratings used as inputs to the TE4 Suggestions algorithm. Thumbs can be used to fine-tune Wishlist filters, but only as controls for setting Wishlist keywords as included, excluded or optional. (i.e. not as some secondary Suggestions-like overlay on Wishlist recording)
Save your spare time, you can use kmttg, it's a lot faster. I can imagine a keyword like "mystery" generates a ton of matches in the "To Do" list.Yes, that's what I spend my spare time doing.
...manually delete stuff....
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