[BillyClyde]

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Regarding DVR, it would seem like it's cloud based and upgrading from the initial 10HR is quite costly compare to what I have now invested in the Tivo. 120hrs for $15 and $5 more for each 120hrs.

Wow, and people complain about the monthly cost of tivo service at $15/month!

 

[BobCamp1]

Just looked over the equipment and this is what they installed.

ONT: ARRIS ONT1000G14
Router: FiOS-G1100
DVR: IPDVR1200
STB: IPSTB1200

Connection is pretty simple. Ethernet from ONT to Router. Ethernet from Router to DVR. That's it. STB is wireless and so far works well. But my installation only has 1 STB. Not sure how well it scales out with more. But you can connect the STB with Ethernet if wireless becomes an issue.

Regarding DVR, it would seem like it's cloud based and upgrading from the initial 10HR is quite costly compare to what I have now invested in the Tivo. 120hrs for $15 and $5 more for each 120hrs.

Based on my understanding, it's not a DVR at all. The upgrade is just a network hard drive that's allowed to record and stream IPTV locally.

 

[Bigg]

Just looked over the equipment and this is what they installed.

ONT: ARRIS ONT1000G14
Router: FiOS-G1100
DVR: IPDVR1200
STB: IPSTB1200

Connection is pretty simple. Ethernet from ONT to Router. Ethernet from Router to DVR. That's it. STB is wireless and so far works well. But my installation only has 1 STB. Not sure how well it scales out with more. But you can connect the STB with Ethernet if wireless becomes an issue.

Regarding DVR, it would seem like it's cloud based and upgrading from the initial 10HR is quite costly compare to what I have now invested in the Tivo. 120hrs for $15 and $5 more for each 120hrs.

That is pricey for the DVR. An upgraded Roamio could easily have hundreds of hours, and even Verizon's own Quantum DVR is what, 1TB? That is telling about the future ONT/router combo just being Ethernet to the STB, and wireless from there. Not sure how it would work when the STB isn't near the middle of the house though.

 

[Dan203]

That is pricey for the DVR. An upgraded Roamio could easily have hundreds of hours, and even Verizon's own Quantum DVR is what, 1TB? That is telling about the future ONT/router combo just being Ethernet to the STB, and wireless from there. Not sure how it would work when the STB isn't near the middle of the house though.

You could always do MoCa from the router, instead of directly from the ONT.

 

[Bigg]

You could always do MoCa from the router, instead of directly from the ONT.

That future ONT/router combo doesn't have coax or MoCA at all. But yes, if you had a traditional ONT and router, then you could do MoCA from the router if the STBs supported it.

 

[BobCamp1]

That future ONT/router combo doesn't have coax or MoCA at all. But yes, if you had a traditional ONT and router, then you could do MoCA from the router if the STBs supported it.

I don't believe the STBs support MoCA. And they aren't really STB's. They're much more like a Roku.

I don't know if the installer will set up the MoCA network for you. He is supposed to wireless, then CAT6, and reserve MoCA for emergencies. I personally think MoCA will be used far more often than Verizon wants.

 

[tazzmission]

Where is the IPTV service available? I'd like to see if/when it will be available in PA


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[NashGuy]

Where is the IPTV service available? I'd like to see if/when it will be available in PA

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It's still in testing right now. It's supposed to be officially rolled out later this year, maybe this summer. Not sure if it will be available initially across all current Verizon FiOS areas or if it will be incrementally rolled out.

Aside from this new IPTV FiOS service, Verizon will also soon launch a new OTT streaming cable TV service nationwide. Like Sling TV, PS Vue, etc., it will be accessed through retail devices (Roku, Apple TV, etc.) rather than through Verizon-issued set-top boxes.

 

[tazzmission]

I'm interested in testing both of these but I just don't know where to begin to get in on it, or if geographically I even can. I'm pretty much on the cutting edge technology wise and thats mostly why I'm a TiVo supporter. Their product is/was superior but that is changing. Just not as fast as I'd like.


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[NashGuy]

I'm interested in testing both of these but I just don't know where to begin to get in on it, or if geographically I even can. I'm pretty much on the cutting edge technology wise and thats mostly why I'm a TiVo supporter. Their product is/was superior but that is changing. Just not as fast as I'd like.

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FiOS is available in the Pittsburgh area, though I don't know about your specific suburb. You can check your address at this link.

As for their upcoming OTT service, it may not matter where in the US you live. Just depends on if they immediately roll it out nationwide (like PS Vue, DirecTV Now, etc.) of if they restrict it to just those areas where they've made deals to carry the local broadcast affiliates (like YouTube TV).

At any rate, looks like it will be a little while longer before you'll be able to try out either option.

 

[tazzmission]

FiOS is available in the Pittsburgh area, though I don't know about your specific suburb. You can check your address at this link.

As for their upcoming OTT service, it may not matter where in the US you live. Just depends on if they immediately roll it out nationwide (like PS Vue, DirecTV Now, etc.) of if they restrict it to just those areas where they've made deals to carry the local broadcast affiliates (like YouTube TV).

At any rate, looks like it will be a little while longer before you'll be able to try out either option.

I've got FiOS today. Just the QAM setup with a cable card and a TiVo Bolt+. Looking to see if I can get in on the testing of IPTV.

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[markjrenna]

I know it's being tested in North Jersey.

 

[wesbc]

I've got FiOS today. Just the QAM setup with a cable card and a TiVo Bolt+. Looking to see if I can get in on the testing of IPTV.

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I'm uncertain what was the selection criteria but it's not something you can request to be put on. I just happen to receive an email asking if I wanted to join a Verizon Video Trial. At first I wasn't even sure if it was legit as it was it involves a third party handling the trail so it might be easily missed by others. Took a month from initial response and taking a survey before I have mine installed, almost thought they forgot about me.

 

[Bigg]

I don't believe the STBs support MoCA. And they aren't really STB's. They're much more like a Roku.

I don't know if the installer will set up the MoCA network for you. He is supposed to wireless, then CAT6, and reserve MoCA for emergencies. I personally think MoCA will be used far more often than Verizon wants.

They're still an STB. You don't have to have QAM tuners, a hard drive, a giant power supply, and a case that weighs 10 pounds to be an STB.

That's kind of stupid if the STBs don't have MoCA, as there are a lot of situations where there is coax already there, and that's preferable to clogging the airwaves up with more Wi-Fi. DirecTV does DECA whenever possible, and then only if there is no line available do they go to wireless.

 

[BobCamp1]

They're still an STB. You don't have to have QAM tuners, a hard drive, a giant power supply, and a case that weighs 10 pounds to be an STB.

That's kind of stupid if the STBs don't have MoCA, as there are a lot of situations where there is coax already there, and that's preferable to clogging the airwaves up with more Wi-Fi. DirecTV does DECA whenever possible, and then only if there is no line available do they go to wireless.

Technically, they're an STB, but the word "STB" conjures images of something that is at least a foot long. I've never heard of a Roku or a Mini being called an "STB". I was just trying to emphasize how small the device is, and more importantly, how small ALL the devices are. There isn't anything that's STB-sized like a DVR except for maybe the network drive, which could be installed literally anywhere in the house.

I think Verizon's odd MoCA decision is because they want to minimize truck rolls. Adding a MoCA device to an existing installation would usually require a truck roll whereas adding a Wi-Fi device would not.

 

[Bigg]

Technically, they're an STB, but the word "STB" conjures images of something that is at least a foot long. I've never heard of a Roku or a Mini being called an "STB". I was just trying to emphasize how small the device is, and more importantly, how small ALL the devices are. There isn't anything that's STB-sized like a DVR except for maybe the network drive, which could be installed literally anywhere in the house.

I think Verizon's odd MoCA decision is because they want to minimize truck rolls. Adding a MoCA device to an existing installation would usually require a truck roll whereas adding a Wi-Fi device would not.

STB generally refers to anything that comes from the MSO, although it's true that STBs now look nothing like STBs did even 5 years ago.

DirecTV has a hybrid system, which is a much better choice IMO.That could be the logic, but I think it's going to end up biting them in the butt for some installations. Even with some sort of mesh technology, it could have a hard time reaching in large houses, and have interference issues in small apartments.

 

[JoeKustra]

STB generally refers to anything that comes from the MSO, although it's true that STBs now look nothing like STBs did even 5 years ago.

I was at a Days Inn a few weeks ago and the Cox HD STB was about the size of a deck of cards. I think the "ST" part is in the same category as "dialing" the phone.

 

[Bigg]

Hah, yeah, true, we don't really dial the phone anymore. There's aren't really phone "lines" anymore, especially now that most phone calls are routed over VOIP/VoLTE anyway.

I checked over on DSLR, and they are saying that the new STBs do have coax, so they can be used with a regular ONT and Quantum router for larger installations. My guess is that the combined router is really for NYC apartments where the fiber comes right into the unit, and that suburban SFUs will keep a similar configuration to what they have now for IPTV. Running fiber into the house itself is not cost effective.

 

[tim_m]

Is there any chance you can post some pics or did you have to sign an NDA or something?

 

[NashGuy]

Hah, yeah, true, we don't really dial the phone anymore. There's aren't really phone "lines" anymore, especially now that most phone calls are routed over VOIP/VoLTE anyway.

I checked over on DSLR, and they are saying that the new STBs do have coax, so they can be used with a regular ONT and Quantum router for larger installations. My guess is that the combined router is really for NYC apartments where the fiber comes right into the unit, and that suburban SFUs will keep a similar configuration to what they have now for IPTV. Running fiber into the house itself is not cost effective.

Yeah, that's what I had remembered reading there some time back, that the new IPTV STBs could be used with either the current-gen (QAM-compatible) ONTs or with the new (non-QAM-compatible) combined ONT/routers. Which makes sense; if Verizon can avoid having to replace ONTs for existing QAM TV customers who want to switch to IPTV, that saves them money. I wonder if the switch could be done as a self-install, to avoid the expense of truck rolls?