Did 9.1 Screw Up Your "30 Second Skip" and "Instant Replay"?

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bareyb

Discussion Starter · Oct 4, 2007

Trying to get a feel for how many folks this new update has affected. My "30 Second Skip" and "Instant Replay" both lag far behind the button presses now, making it impossible to accurately navigate past commercial and/or find the beginning of the show again. Not sure but it seems to happen on HD content more than older recordings I have in NON HD format. Let's try and narrow down the problem and see if we can help TiVo fix this annoyance.

If any one hears anything from TiVo or knows of a fix post it here. I consider this a huge problem as it affects the day to day usage. The navigation was what set this machine apart from the Comcast DVR with it's sluggish response. Hopefully a fix is on the way.

If this doesn't happen to your TiVo please mention if you have tried it on a NEW HD RECORDING. Also let's see if this has anything to do with platform. Do you have an S3 or a new TiVo HD?

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SeanC

· #2 · Oct 4, 2007

I used it all last night, I didn't notice anything different it it's behavior.

crowfan

· #3 · Oct 4, 2007

You might want to check in the 9.1 Bugs thread (over in Coffee House):

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5566313#post5566313

bkdtv

· #4 · Oct 4, 2007

Did 9.1 Screw Up Your "30 Second Skip" and "Instant Replay"?

Yes, it does. It doesn't occur 100% of the time, but it is frequent. I never saw this issue under 8.1.x.

I find it most obvious / irritating when watching football. Normally, I watch football on a time delay and FFW pass the commercials. Now, much of the time the DVR pauses for a 1/2 second before it skips back when you press play, which means you see the result of the play (i.e. the down and yards to go, or changes to the score) before you've watched it.

Something similar happens on 30sec skip and instant replay.

bareyb

Discussion Starter · #5 · Oct 4, 2007

bkdtv said:
Yes, it does. It doesn't occur 100% of the time, but it is frequent. I never saw this issue under 8.1.x.

I find it most obvious / irritating when watching football. Normally, I watch football on a time delay and FFW pass the commercials. Now, much of the time the DVR pauses for a 1/2 second when you press play, which means you see the result of the play (i.e. the down and yards to go, or changes to the score) before you've watched it.

You just nailed one of the most frustrating things about this new "feature". I sure hope the conspiracy theorists aren't correct about this "fix" in that it's to appease the broadcasters and force us to go more slowly so we HAVE to see more of the commercials. If true, they obviously forgot about the "tiny little percentage" of us who also use it for Sports... Man this sucks. I hope to God it wasn't intentional.

bareyb

Discussion Starter · #6 · Oct 4, 2007

SeanC said:
I used it all last night, I didn't notice anything different it it's behavior.

Do you have an S3 or a new TiVo HD? Did you check it on a new HD recording? I had no glitches on an old Mythbusters in SD, but it does it on all of my new HD recordings.

Dajad

· #7 · Oct 4, 2007

Your question is a bit misleading. EVERY time I get a system update of some kind (or the system is reset) the 30 second skip back-door has to be added back:

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So, as with every other update I lost it until I added it back.

I've NEVER lost instant replay as that is a built-in TiVo function.

...Dale

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bareyb

Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 4, 2007

Dajad said:
Your question is a bit misleading. EVERY time I get a system update of some kind (or the system is reset) the 30 second skip back-door has to be added back:

Select
Play
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So, as with every other update I lost it until I added it back.

I've NEVER lost instant replay as that is a built-in TiVo function.

...Dale

Hey Dajad.
This isn't about LOSING 30 second skip and in fact, I've read the new update makes it permanent once you re-enable it. Which is GREAT. However. In my HD recordings it has made the image on the screen freeze and then lag far behind the button presses.

You basically see a static image on the screen while you are button pressing so you can't see where you are going or where you have been.

sfhub

· #9 · Oct 4, 2007

The new behavior makes it more difficult to use under slingbox where there is already 5 second delay from mpg encoding overhead.

bareyb

Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 4, 2007

Just to make sure that we don't find that Tivo "has never heard of the problem" I have created a new post on the TiVo Inc. forum at their website: Click here to report navigation bug to TIVo help forum

CuriousMark

· #11 · Oct 4, 2007

This is actually a better place to report it. There is also research.tivo.com/suggestions where you can suggest they fix it.

By the way, is your poll restricted to S3 platforms, or can S2 users also vote?

Saturn

· #12 · Oct 4, 2007

Ok, I just tried it and I'm not sure I would've noticed it without looking for it, but here's my analysis:

1. Playing a video, hit 30 second skip or instant replay.
2. TiVo starts playing the be-boop sound.
3. Video pauses ever so slightly on the current frame
4. Video skips forward or backward as appropriate.

I think the reason this may seem more apparent on HD is that the be-boop sound can't be played over dolby digital feeds, so the video pause is more noticable.

moyekj

· #13 · Oct 4, 2007

For those who answered "no" try the following. Hit 30-sec skip in quick succession multiple times. For me this basically freezes the video frame until I slow down presses. In 8.3 I could easily do more than 1 press per second and still see updated video frames. In 9.1 now I have to wait about a second or so between presses to get video updates.
(The problem is worse on HD playback than SD playback, but SD also is slower than before).

As already mentioned this makes it much more cumbersome to skip commercials using 30SS and skip back - you are forced to watch more pieces of commercials (maybe that was Tivo's intent

)

bareyb

Discussion Starter · #14 · Oct 4, 2007

Saturn said:
Ok, I just tried it and I'm not sure I would've noticed it without looking for it, but here's my analysis:

1. Playing a video, hit 30 second skip or instant replay.
2. TiVo starts playing the be-boop sound.
3. Video pauses ever so slightly on the current frame
4. Video skips forward or backward as appropriate.

I think the reason this may seem more apparent on HD is that the be-boop sound can't be played over dolby digital feeds, so the video pause is more noticable.

It only happens when you are attempting to "skip ahead" or do "instant replay" with multiple button presses in rapid succession. When you do this, the SAME IMAGE will stay on the screen perpetually until you stop pressing the button long enough for TiVo to "catch up". Try doing it this way and you will see what we mean.

Saturn

· #15 · Oct 4, 2007

bareyb said:
It only happens when you are attempting to "skip ahead" or do "instant replay" with multiple button presses in rapid succession. When you do this, the SAME IMAGE will stay on the screen perpetually until you stop pressing the button long enough for TiVo to "catch up". Try doing it this way and you will see what we mean.

Well, actually it freezes the video on the first attempt, but it is barely noticable. If you hit the button again while it is frozen, it stays frozen on that same frame.

Saturn

· #16 · Oct 4, 2007

I highly doubt this was intentional. I suspect it was a result of fixing the problem where you hit 30 second skip and the video plays but the audio has dropped out. I don't know for sure that problem is fixed, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Dajad

· #17 · Oct 5, 2007

bareyb said:
Hey Dajad.
This isn't about LOSING 30 second skip and in fact, I've read the new update makes it permanent once you re-enable it. Which is GREAT. However. In my HD recordings it has made the image on the screen freeze and then lag far behind the button presses.

You basically see a static image on the screen while you are button pressing so you can't see where you are going or where you have been.

My sincere apologies Barry! For some reason I answered the question without paying attention to who wrote it. I thought it was a newb question. Had I noticed it was you I wouldn't have given a simplistic answer and would have taken your comment more seriously.

Since my initial reply I too experienced EXACTLY the same instant replay problem with my HD recordings last night - but not with the 30 second skip. Also the instnat replay issue was intermittent. Sometimes instant replay worked fine, other times it acted just as you described, you press instant replay and it does NOTHING, press it over and over and you keep seeing the same thing over and over - like an invistible temporal wall it can't back up behind. But other times, even in the same recording, instant replay worked just fine.

And the problem was NOT contingent on multiple pushes. Often times I'd push once and it hits the wall. Then, when it doesn't work I started multiple pushing and it stayed at the wall. So I don't think its purely a multiple push problem, but if/when it happens, multiple pushes clearly doesn't solve the problem.

Ugh!

So, if I could, I would change my answer in the poll from the second option to the first option. I only noticed it with HD recordings. I only watch HD recordings on that particular TiVo so I don't know about SD.

I have NOT noticed any problems with the 30 second skip though. Since I have my bee-boops turned off, I can't attest to how/when things happen relative to sound effects.

Great news about the 30 second skip staying on permanently. It's been a pain having to reset it all the time.

...Dale

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Bierboy

· #18 · Oct 5, 2007

I have noticed no change in the functionality of 30SS with 9.1. No lags, delays or whatever on SD or HD recordings.

bareyb

Discussion Starter · #19 · Oct 5, 2007

Bierboy said:
I have noticed no change in the functionality of 30SS with 9.1. No lags, delays or whatever on SD or HD recordings.

Do you have an S3 or one of the new HD TiVo's?

rodalpho

· #20 · Oct 5, 2007

9.1 screwed up my 30SS. It's more noticeable the more I use 9.1. Still pretty usable, don't get me wrong, but clearly worse than it was.

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