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Getting a very strong BttF vibe in this one. First the ticking clocks in Tannhaus' shop, then scar face girl (I believe at this point we still haven't found out her name, not officially) hiding her radiation suit much like Marty hiding the Delaurean.

So in both loops Martha travels to the prime world to save Jonas, but in one of them she is stopped by Bartosz. Although Bartozs is clearly not in tune with Adam, his actions lead to Jonas becoming Adam.
 

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I'm surprised I hadn't noticed this before, that Jonas who didn't go with Martha did not have the neck scar. Now we know how he got it. And later, as Adam, tricked the other Jonas into thinking he was just a future version of himself.
 

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Younger Adam is creepier than older Adam. They went overboard on the makeup. Also never explained why he is the only one scarred like that.

As soon as Hannah and Adam met I said one of them is going to kill the other, but we've seen older Adam, so bye bye Hannah

No idea why he did it, though. If she's in the wrong place then and her to the right one.
 

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There actor ages in this episode were so over the place. When Charlotte and Elizabeth kidnap baby Charlotte I think the other Elizabeth is supposed to be a lot younger than the one who is taking the baby (mid-to-late 40s versus late teens it early 20s) but the younger Elizabeth didn't look much younger.

And they used the adult Noah character where he is supposed to be just a few years older than Elizabeth. My guess would be early 30s, but the actor is probably around 50.
 

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Claudia FTW.

When younger Claudia shoots her counterpart I believe it's the prime world Claudia who does the shooting and the alt world Claudia who does the dying. Then she goes back to Eve and I assume that she is pretending to be the alt world Claudia at this point (I should go back and re-watch to check if she changes her clothing - that's why she shot her in the head, so the clothes would not get ruined).

Then Eve asks about Claudia. Did anyone get the feeling that she suspected? The different colored eyes likely would but help because as we saw with the cleft lip triplets it switched sides when the crossed from one world to the other.

So from turn onward we have just one Claudia, and she's working with Eve in one world and Adam in the other. A double agent, of sorts.
 

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Another Claudia question. Adam is clearly surprised to see her at the very end. I assume this is because Noah just came back with news that he had killed her. I could see how that could startle someone, but this guy's been up to his ears in time travel for the last 60+ years, surely the idea of someone who just got killed suddenly showing up alive and well (and not looking significantly older) should no longer be surprising.
 

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One last comment/question -- after Martha disappears in the God-particle maelstrom, Adam looks at his hands and looks confused. One review I read assume it was a "what-have-I-done" moment but I thought it was very clearly a "why-am-I-still-here" moment. Just like Cole in 12 Monkeys after shooting Leland Goines. He expected that by destroying Martha (and The Origin) that both worlds would be destroyed.

But earlier we heard Hanno tell Jonas that, because old Adam already exists, he could not be killed -- time would not allow it. Well we have Eve so, by the same reasoning, he would not be able to kill alt-Martha. What he did, exactly, is not clear.
 
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