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Can't get Now Playing List/recordings from Tivo

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I occasionally use kmttg to pull files off of my Tivo in order to
(possibly) watch them later. You know the drill -- "I might watch this
someday, but right now it's a waste of space..."

In any event, I just recently went to pull some recordings onto my
home NAS and kmttg failed with exit code 52. Well, okay; I then tried
simply using https. I logged in, but the normal screen with the Now
Playing List never appeared. Uh oh!

So, I then tried using a Windows box with the Tivo desktop
installed. It gave me soothing feedback along the lines of "Getting x
of y recordings," but then reports "There was an error while
attempting to retrieve data from the selected DVR." This happened
approximately half way through the get.

It's a TivoHD and the software version of the Tivo is 11.0k-01-2-652.

Any ideas? (I have restarted the Tivo just in case.)
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I occasionally use kmttg to pull files off of my Tivo in order to
(possibly) watch them later. You know the drill -- "I might watch this
someday, but right now it's a waste of space..."

In any event, I just recently went to pull some recordings onto my
home NAS and kmttg failed with exit code 52. Well, okay; I then tried
simply using https. I logged in, but the normal screen with the Now
Playing List never appeared. Uh oh!

So, I then tried using a Windows box with the Tivo desktop
installed. It gave me soothing feedback along the lines of "Getting x
of y recordings," but then reports "There was an error while
attempting to retrieve data from the selected DVR." This happened
approximately half way through the get.

It's a TivoHD and the software version of the Tivo is 11.0k-01-2-652.

Any ideas? (I have restarted the Tivo just in case.)
Restart the TiVo (make sure you've gone into the phone and network settings menu on the TiVo and given it a static IP), restart all your computers, restart all of your network hardware (router/gateway, modem, etc.)

Is all of the above necessary? More than likely not, but it's faster than figuring out which is and which isn't.

Did I mention to assign your TiVo a static IP address?
I've

- deleted some of the recordings I didn't care about,

- replaced the ethernet cable,

- replaced the ethernet switch,

- rebooted the router,

- rebooted the tivo.

All to no avail. Tivo desktop gets to "...41 of 148..." and after a few minutes of silence reports failure.

Does anyone know a curl "incantation" which might show me exactly how far along the retrieval gets (or is that even possible?)?
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What model Tivo?
What model Tivo?
It is a TivoHD. TV and internet from Verizon FIOS.
It is a TivoHD. TV and internet from Verizon FIOS.
You said which model in your first post and I somehow didn't see it.

It sounds like a network problem, so my first instinct is to suspect the TiVo's hard drive and power supply.:)

While you're waiting for one or the other to fail, use TiVo Desktop to copy off whatever you care about that it'll let you copy off, and put a small fan where it can blow directly on your router.
Alas, Tivo Desktop fails as well. It reports an error while retrieving the NPL. So I can't easily get anything that way either.

I thought perhaps it was a bug in somebody's software. I've been playing with curl to try and see what's happening and noticed one of the last shows in the NPL to be successfully retrieved had a "'" in the title. I didn't care about the show. So I deleted it, but it didn't make any difference. Sigh!

I can certainly replace the drive, but am reluctant to since everything else seems to be working fine.
Alas, Tivo Desktop fails as well. It reports an error while retrieving the NPL. So I can't easily get anything that way either.

I thought perhaps it was a bug in somebody's software. I've been playing with curl to try and see what's happening and noticed one of the last shows in the NPL to be successfully retrieved had a "'" in the title. I didn't care about the show. So I deleted it, but it didn't make any difference. Sigh!

I can certainly replace the drive, but am reluctant to since everything else seems to be working fine.
So is the TiVo itself working fine by itself?
So is the TiVo itself working fine by itself?
Yes. I've not noticed any issues with the TiVo at all except when I've tried to get files off of it.
Yes. I've not noticed any issues with the TiVo at all except when I've tried to get files off of it.
Apparently you've got gremlins in your network somewhere.

Is whatever you've got that serves as a "cable modem" also your router, or do you have a separate unit, and if so, what make and model?

What else is on your network?
Apparently you've got gremlins in your network somewhere.

Is whatever you've got that serves as a "cable modem" also your router, or do you have a separate unit, and if so, what make and model?

What else is on your network?
I suppose the rough equivalent of a cable modem is the optical termination unit. The ONT drops a WAN connection over CoAx to an ActionTec MI424WR router. From there I have an ethernet plant that makes some small businesses look primitive by comparison. I think my next step will be to hook the router, the Tivo, and a laptop together with nothing else connected and see what happens. But that's a job for tomorrow. Can you believe it? The family actually want to watch TV and use the internet?! Sheesh! :eek:
Can you believe it? The family actually want to watch TV and use the internet?! Sheesh! :eek:
<Bugs Bunny Voice>The noive of some people!</BBV>:)

Suggest you temporarily disable any encryption as well, and disable the laptop's firewall to begin with, as well as any anti-virus software.

You'll probably need for the TiVo to be connected to the Internet during the "giving it a fixed IP address" procedure, as it will want to test the network when you do that, and for it testing the network means trying to contact the mothership.
Tried the Tivo, laptop, and nothing else connected. No joy in Mudville; same behaviour.
Tried the Tivo, laptop, and nothing else connected. No joy in Mudville; same behaviour.
Since you seem to be using the TiVo's RJ-45 jack, you could bypass the router (if your laptop has a jack and not just wireless), and also temporarily bypass any of that WEP or WPA stuff.

Or, you could try hooking up a wireless adapter to the TiVo's USB and see if the TiVo's Ethernet port has died.

But first try pinging the TiVo (while still using it's RJ-45 jack) to see if it can be seen on the net at all.
Since you seem to be using the TiVo's RJ-45 jack, you could bypass the router (if your laptop has a jack and not just wireless), and also temporarily bypass any of that WEP or WPA stuff.

Or, you could try hooking up a wireless adapter to the TiVo's USB and see if the TiVo's Ethernet port has died.

But first try pinging the TiVo (while still using it's RJ-45 jack) to see if it can be seen on the net at all.
I definitely have connectivity. Tivo desktop reports "...91 of 155..." before it stops responding and complains. I can browse to the unencrypted web page and get the happy "Congratulations! You’ve successfully connected your TiVo® box to your home network, enabling a number of exciting new Home Media features: " message. My guess is this the Tivo failing in some fashion. If only I could see the logs on the Tivo!

Well, I'll cogitate on this a bit and see what I can come up with. 1TB drives aren't that expensive. I could just try replacing the current drive.
I definitely have connectivity. Tivo desktop reports "...91 of 155..." before it stops responding and complains. I can browse to the unencrypted web page and get the happy "Congratulations! You’ve successfully connected your TiVo® box to your home network, enabling a number of exciting new Home Media features: " message. My guess is this the Tivo failing in some fashion. If only I could see the logs on the Tivo!

Well, I'll cogitate on this a bit and see what I can come up with. 1TB drives aren't that expensive. I could just try replacing the current drive.
Consult the drive upgrade sticky

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=370784

and see which models are or are not recommended for your model TiVo, and whether you'll need to run wdidle3 or not.

Know in advance whether you're getting an "advanced format" drive or not.

I think the jury is still out on whether they work without problems in which TiVo.
I definitely have connectivity. Tivo desktop reports "...91 of 155..." before it stops responding and complains. I can browse to the unencrypted web page and get the happy "Congratulations! You’ve successfully connected your TiVo® box to your home network, enabling a number of exciting new Home Media features: " message. My guess is this the Tivo failing in some fashion. If only I could see the logs on the Tivo!
Well, there is a way...

Well, I'll cogitate on this a bit and see what I can come up with. 1TB drives aren't that expensive. I could just try replacing the current drive.
dd_rescue is your friend.

In the mean time, have you tried the kickstart tests? This sounds like a software issue.
Well, there is a way...

dd_rescue is your friend.

In the mean time, have you tried the kickstart tests? This sounds like a software issue.
I either didn't know about or forgot the kickstart tests. I'm not sure which is worse. In any event, I have it running the SMART tests now, and think I'll then do the "fsck". I'm not a huge believer in SMART except when it predicts failure.

Thanks very much; a most excellent idea!
I ran a "54" (everything but the offline test), and a "57". Alas, Tivo Desktop still gets part way through the retrieval of the NPL and barfs.

I'm out of ideas.
I ran a "54" (everything but the offline test), and a "57". Alas, Tivo Desktop still gets part way through the retrieval of the NPL and barfs.

I'm out of ideas.
54 is strictly a hardware test.

57 and 58 are designed to see if your TiVo software is screwed up.

Try 58, just in case.
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