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Has anyone heard any rumors about Unbox HD?

Considering Xbox Live is able to do it, I would think Amazon should be able to pull it off.
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I downloaded a movie last night! It works great. The Tivo HD is an amazing box. There are so many great features - I'm just beginning to explore them all.
Jordanz...you didn't download an Amazon HD movie, which is what Dolfer is asking about.
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Dolfer:
It sure is possible, but I guess the % of HD capable tivo's might make it less inviting to amazon for the expense of re-encoding all their movies to HD-mp4.
As the new S3-HD gets popular, I hope they do consider it.
dolfer said:
Has anyone heard any rumors about Unbox HD?

Considering Xbox Live is able to do it, I would think Amazon should be able to pull it off.
It would be silly of them not to move toward HD content if they really want to compete with services like XBox live and Comcast's On Demand offerings, not to mention HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

Fingers crossed that it will happen soon.
Stu_Bee said:
Jordanz...you didn't download an Amazon HD movie, which is what Dolfer is asking about.
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Dolfer:
It sure is possible, but I guess the % of HD capable tivo's might make it less inviting to amazon for the expense of re-encoding all their movies to HD-mp4.
As the new S3-HD gets popular, I hope they do consider it.
Stu, don't forget that Unbox also works with PCs. So luckily it's not based on Tivo numbers alone.
It'd be a nice first step if they'd just offer widescreen and 5.1 sound

As it stands Unbox is pretty silly IMO.
Downloadable HD is the "future" of home movie viewing. Not the present.
It takes me forever long just to download an SD unbox... 768k connection only.

But, really... if it weren't for the $15 credit Amazon gave me... I wouldn't even use it.
Stu_Bee said:
Jordanz...you didn't download an Amazon HD movie, which is what Dolfer is asking about.
Oops - you're right. Sorry about that.

I do get HD movies on my XBOX, though ;)
SugarBowl said:
Downloadable HD is the "future" of home movie viewing. Not the present.
Why? mpeg4 cable hsi or fios...
SugarBowl said:
Downloadable HD is the "future" of home movie viewing. Not the present.
Download HD content through MS on the Xbox, and others, is really starting to take off.

I have an HD DVD player and now watching movies even at DVD resolutions is painful. I really hope that Amazon Unbox is offering decent HD movies sometime in the near future. :up:
dolfer said:
Stu, don't forget that Unbox also works with PCs. So luckily it's not based on Tivo numbers alone.
On the other hand, that might be why we aren't seeing any HD.
vstone said:
On the other hand, that might be why we aren't seeing any HD.
I would imagine that making it so HD versions play on Tivo boxes or other "copy protected" devices would be a pretty trivial thing to do.

The real holdup with HD movies for download is the massive bandwidth requirements.

If you want to download the movie in any reasonable amount of time the transfer rate has to be quite high, if you have 10,000 people downloading a popular HD movie like '300' at 1000kbps each it's going to require some SERIOUS bandwidth at the server end.
I don't expect to see HD content on Unbox until after TiVo gets the MPEG4 playback feature working on S3 units. Until then Amazon would have to use MPEG2, which would create a huge file that would suck up a ton of their bandwidth and take a very long time to download even on a fast connection. (HD MPEG2 is about 4 times the size of SD MPEG2)

Dan
Dan203 said:
I don't expect to see HD content on Unbox until after TiVo gets the MPEG4 playback feature working on S3 units. Until then Amazon would have to use MPEG2, which would create a huge file that would suck up a ton of their bandwidth and take a very long time to download even on a fast connection. (HD MPEG2 is about 4 times the size of SD MPEG2)

Dan
Can the Tivo decode VC1?
yunlin12 said:
The Tivo HD is capable of VC1, but not the S3

THD has Broadcom 7401
http://www.tivolovers.com/a-review-of-the-tivo-hd-digital-media-recorder/
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Ca...udio-Video-Graphics-System-Processors/BCM7401
It specifically says VC-1

Tivo S3 has Broadcom 7411
http://www.tivolovers.com/a-review-of-the-tivo-series3-hd-digital-media-recorder/
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Ca...udio-Video-Graphics-System-Processors/BCM7411
Which is H.264 capable, but not VC-1

Since both HDDVD and BlueRay uses VC-1, you think Tivo would get more HD compatibility with this new chip?
If you read the BCM7411 product brief and not just the little synopsis on the web page, you'll see:At the top of its list of features and:
  • VC-1 advanced profile decoder
as the second line-item in its list of "Functional Components", and finally, the paragraph:
VC-1 Support
The BCM7411 supports Advanced Profile VC-1 streams up to 40 Mbps, as defined in the proposed SMPTE specification.
There's an implication that it can only handle 1080 VC-1 AP, which seems a bit silly, but that may be all that's required for an HD video disc player and that's what they were thinking of when they engineered the feature. Who knows?

The product brief for the BMC7401 doesn't seem to specify any format limitation for VC-1 encoding, and the device can handle VC-1 Simple and Main profiles as well as the Advanced profile. It can also output at 1080p24 and 1080p30 which the BMC7411 can't.
Dan203 said:
I don't expect to see HD content on Unbox until after TiVo gets the MPEG4 playback feature working on S3 units. Until then Amazon would have to use MPEG2, which would create a huge file that would suck up a ton of their bandwidth and take a very long time to download even on a fast connection. (HD MPEG2 is about 4 times the size of SD MPEG2)

Dan
Dan,

Can you provide more details on the MP4 playback feature? Is this something that you expect to see in the next software update?

TIA,
Sam
mikeyts said:
If you read the BCM7411 product brief and not just the little synopsis on the web page, you'll see:At the top of its list of features and:
  • VC-1 advanced profile decoder
as the second line-item in its list of "Functional Components", and finally, the paragraph:
There's an implication that it can only handle 1080 VC-1 AP, which seems a bit silly, but that may be all that's required for an HD video disc player and that's what they were thinking of when they engineered the feature. Who knows?

The product brief for the BMC7401 doesn't seem to specify any format limitation for VC-1 encoding, and the device can handle VC-1 Simple and Main profiles as well as the Advanced profile. It can also output at 1080p24 and 1080p30 which the BMC7411 can't.
All versions of the BCM7401 and BCM7411 will decode MPEG-4 and VC-1 formats at 720p and 1080i. The BCM7401 and the latest revision of the BCM7411 (which the S3 may not have) can also handle 1080p24 decode and output.

The BCM7411 is the decoder used in the first-generation Toshiba HD-DVD players, as well as the Samsung BD-P1000 and BD-P1200 Blu-ray players.
dipdewdog said:
It would be silly of them not to move toward HD content if they really want to compete with services like XBox live and Comcast's On Demand offerings, not to mention HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

Fingers crossed that it will happen soon.
Don't hold your breath... :(....the other dealbreaker (especially for those of us who are hearing impaired) is no closed captioning/subtitles.
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