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I finally got my better half on-board with HDTV. We're currently using two DirecTiVos (lifetime sub) on an old 35" analog screen. We started with one DirecTiVo, but found we couldn't share 107 hours of recording time. We can't get HD off the dish without moving or cutting down trees. Plus, I've yet to hear much good about the HD DirecTiVo.

I see that the new DirecTV10 satellite is due to begin operations in September, and will occupy the 103°W slot. I know this isn't the DirecTiVo forum, but does anyone know if a round dish pointed at 101°W will get the 103°W signal? It's part of my whole dilemma, but I'll ask over there if need be.

My plan had been to wait for HDTV 1080 screen prices to get reasonable, then buy a couple of Series 3 HDTiVos and upgrade their storage. I'd switch to Comcast cable (the only alternative here--FIOS is internet-only) and drop DirecTV.

Now, with all the SDV talk here, I'm stuck not knowing what to do. I don't want to spend $1500 on two new TiVos and upgrades that may be partially obsolete when I buy them, and which will grow more obsolete over the next three years or so. But I also can't see settling for the feature-challenged Comcast DVR.

It seems like I have no options until this SDV thing is settled and TiVo (hopefully) releases a bidirectional, HD-compatible device. Have I got that about right?

Is there any way I can get HDTV now, and TiVo too, without throwing away money on a temporary setup?

Thanks!

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Plus, Comcast has a deal with Tivo to put the TIVO software on certain Motorola DVR starting this fall.
That probably means they'll be about 5 Comcast/TiVo DVRs in the whole country doing beta customer testingthis fall. Don't hold your breath waiting for Comcast to roll this out nation wide anytime soon.
 

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There is more chatter at avsforum on the new Comcast/Tivo dvrs.

Quickly noting, there has been testing for quite some time, and the new software will roll out in August in the Boston area first, then nationwide soon after.

Supposedly, it will cost an additional $3.99 for the "Tivo" version per month on top of the already HD DVR fees.
 

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Except it really is Tivo lite. No internet IPTV, no transfering video to laptops or ipods, no multi room viewing, no Yahoo features, no upgrading your machine up to to 2 Terabytes. No playing video from P2P networks.

But otherwise- just the same.

So there will be plenty to step up to when moving to a standalone Tivo.
 

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Not trying to be sarcastic with this post; I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what the Tivo Series 3 brings to the table as I decide on whether to go with a Series 3 or not.

Justin, out of your post above, how many of those does the Series 3 currently support? I was under the impression that one is currently unable to transfer video to a computer and that multi-room viewing (MRV) does not work with the Series 3 (http://www.tivo.com/whatistivo/tivoadvantage/index.html). I have read a post here about someone testing MRV, but I have also read other speculation that when it is finally enabled on the Series 3, it will only support limited formats because of Cablelabs cert. (i.e. SD channels, maybe OTA, etc).

Also, by IPTV, do you mean Amazon unbox, or is there another IPTV solution available for the Series 3 that won't be available on the Comcast/Tivo hybrid (and has it been confirmed that the CCast/Tivo box won't support Unbox)?

I guess another issue for is whether the CCast Tivo software on the Moto 641x continues to be as unreliable as the current 641x is with i-guide (but I guess we won't know much about that until it's been released).

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Justin Thyme said:
Except it really is Tivo lite. No internet IPTV, no transfering video to laptops or ipods, no multi room viewing, no Yahoo features, no upgrading your machine up to to 2 Terabytes. No playing video from P2P networks.

But otherwise- just the same.

So there will be plenty to step up to when moving to a standalone Tivo.
The only item I care about in that list is upgrading the storage. You said 2T is out... Can I get it to 750G or 1T? Where can I go to find this out? I'll be checking out dbstalk.com based on another discussion in another section--any others you'd recommend?

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Right now, the Series 3 only lacks in-home video transfers of any sort (TiVoToGo/MRV/TTCB), as far as TiVo features go. Everything else is there.

If and when transfers are enabled, it is likely the least will be only analog recordings will be transferable out of the Series 3, at most everything except protected Cablecard content.

For TiVo, IPTV means internet delivered content, such as TiVocast, Unbox, and OneTrueMedia, not real IPTV like uVerse). The Series 3 does support the aforementioned Internet TV services, the CC TiVo won't.

If it were me, I'd get a Series 2 DT for the TiVo in SD, and maybe the cable DVR for HD, then change to a Series 3 or whatever cable HD TiVo will support SDV.
 

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That's the solution we currently have -- a Series 2 DT for SD and a Comcast/Moto DCT-6416. The 6416 has a lot of drawbacks (check out the forum at AVS for close to 330 pages of chatter on it), but with the uncertainty with SDV and lack of VOD on the Series 3 (not to mention its premium price), we can live with the solution we have for now (at least until we check out what the other options offer in the fall such as the Series 3 Lite, the Comcast/Tivo hybrid, and the new Moxi box).
 

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Televisionary said:
The only item I care about in that list is upgrading the storage. You said 2T is out... Can I get it to 750G or 1T? Where can I go to find this out? I'll be checking out dbstalk.com based on another discussion in another section--any others you'd recommend?

Thanks.
As Mike and Classic correctly point out- what I listed aren't available with an S3 today. I am taking the longer view of the S3 and personally believe the MRV/TTG limitation is temporary- and that one way or another we will be able to transfer digital channels. It is possible it won't turn out that way and cautious folks may want to take classicAt's suggestion.

Regarding Tivo lite, I recall DT-DC saying he swapped a larger drive into his Moto unit, and it recognized the hard drive. There is chatter about how to do that on avsforum- you do it to the cableco machine without their knowlege or approval, but you save the drive so you can put it back the way it was later. However- this sort of thing is an OS feature, and I don't think DT was running the TVWorks layer that the Comcast Tivo-lite is being built on top of.

Could be they have an eSata and it is enabled. That would be nice, but who knows maybe Cable will put the Kabash on that. Who knows.
 

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Justin Thyme said:
Except it really is Tivo lite. No internet IPTV, no transfering video to laptops or ipods, no multi room viewing, no Yahoo features, no upgrading your machine up to to 2 Terabytes. No playing video from P2P networks.

But otherwise- just the same.

So there will be plenty to step up to when moving to a standalone Tivo.
But the ComcasTivo allows you to search on demand content. It also work fine with Switched Digital Video.

The monthly DVR fees should be close to what you would pay for Tivo service on a stand alone Tivo. Plus there are no upfront hardware costs. Even the upcoming $300 S3-lite could have a hard time competing in Comcast and Cox neighborhoods where you can run the Tivo software on a DVR that you don't have to buy.
 

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The main reason to buy a S3 is for the functionality. I have a Series 2 Directivo right now, and the only thing it can do is record video. There is no Tivo2go. There is no netflix partnership. Its just a DVR. I got my wife on board with HDTV, but I don't know which direction I am going to go. I love Tivo, but spending $500 on a S3 is hard for me to do. If the price comes down, I would be happy to pay for the extra features in a full series 3.
 

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Justin Thyme said:
Except it really is Tivo lite. No internet IPTV, no transfering video to laptops or ipods, no multi room viewing, no Yahoo features, no upgrading your machine up to to 2 Terabytes. No playing video from P2P networks.

But otherwise- just the same.

So there will be plenty to step up to when moving to a standalone Tivo.
My shiny s3 can't do alot of that either.

Edit: Aw man, already pointed out (and acknowledged).
 

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For TiVo, IPTV means internet delivered content, such as TiVocast, Unbox, and OneTrueMedia, not real IPTV like uVerse). The Series 3 does support the aforementioned Internet TV services, the CC TiVo won't.
First off, just in case anyone got confused by the way you put this, Tivocast, Unbox, OnetrueMedia does work on the Series 3.

The discussion of whether IPTV is real or not if it is not transferred in real time is important only if real time Television viewing is important. Aside of isolated cases such as major sporting events, I am not sure why the distinction is relevant to Tivo users.

Like OK great- Project Lightspeed has been spending a KaJillion bucks on their all IP network- the ice cream truck gets a police escort to the curbSure, but then WTF does all that matter- the DVR is just going to take all those high priority packets and stick the show in the freezer anyway.

After all- since "real" IPTV is on a closed network, why does it matter to us what the network is talking- So long as it is efficient, it could be talking SNA or in Heinz Ketchup Packets for all we care. What gets people excited is that there might be a leveling of the playing field for video as what happened with text and pictures on the internet.

Sure, internet TV is not the same as IPTV, but the set top boxes that can reliably display video from the internet sites of small businesses is what could be part of a sea change. IPTV? Who cares. If Cisco comes out with something 3 times more efficient than IP, then no one will care about the IP in IPTV.
 
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