Yeah.... everyone asks.... but.. Series 3? Tivo/HD?

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  1. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    Both units have growth potential - but there are certainly unknowns. The HD has a newer generation of chips, so that could give it an edge - or it may not matter at all. There isn't a way to know for sure.

    But today the S3 has some advantages - and now we know it works with any eSATA drive but the HD is 'locked down', so that's another one.
     
  2. Resist

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    Amazon has the S3 for $549.99, free shipping and no state sales tax. Plus there is a $200 mail in rebate and just saw tonight that you can also do the rebate online. This brings the S3 price down to $349.99. So for about $100 more than the Tivo HD you basically get the better remote, better display, more cables and more recording space. I think that makes the S3 a cost effective choice.

    Amazon also has the Tivo Network Adapter for $37.48 with free shipping and no sales tax.
     
  3. pjhartman

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    It does, unless you want to transfer a lifetime sub. When I spoke to a TiVo CS rep on Sunday, I was informed that the lifetime transfer was only valid to a THD, not an S3.
     
  4. jeffw_00

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    ok. now I'm totally confused. Is it possible that the 'high' quality on one unit equals the 'best' on the other (accounting for different sizes)? So I can't add a drive to the newer "HD" unit? and it doesn't work at 1080i 1FF" what does that mean (I don't know what 1080i 1FF means, but now I want it!).

    This is really confusing, I think I'll do nothing for now (TiVo take note - confusion=paralysis)

    /j
     
  5. megazone

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    Yes, each TiVo has slightly different encoding parameters. Note this applies only to analog content, as digital content is recorded 'as is'. The DVD S2 TiVos record at a higher resolution and bitrate than the non-DVD S2 TiVos at High and Best, because they need to meet DVD requirements. The S3 has the highest quality encodes at Medium, High, and Best since it is marketed as a premium product with THX certification, so they cranked up the quality levels - higher bitrates. The TiVo HD seems to be better than the S2, but not as cranked up as the S3.

    Where did you get that idea? Yes, you can plug in the approved eSATA drive and away you go. What you can do is connect any random eSATA drive to the TiVo HD, just the approved drive (unless you do hacks).

    1080i is a resolution. And 1FF works just fine for me. 1FF is short for 1 x Fast Forward. TiVo has three fast forward speeds.

    Nothing TiVo can do about that really, you're always going to get different input on a forum like this. And a lot of what is posted is, frankly confused or just plain incorrect.
     
  6. jeffw_00

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    Thanks - that clears up a lot - still not sure the HD + subscription + 2 cable cards is cheaper than the COMCASTivo box...

    (when I consider that the COMCASTivo box gives me free replacement on failure, free upgrades, and on-demand...)

    /j
     
  7. Resist

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    I thought this was common knowledge. I went with the S3 because after the rebate and the Amazon.com price the difference was only around a $100. Therefore to me it was more cost effective to get the better unit, a Tivo S3. Also because my Series 2 Tivo was 2 months short to qualify for the Tivo HD lifetime transfer deal.
     

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