Yay! both internal and external drive expansion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Justin Thyme, Jun 4, 2007.

  1. sfhub

    sfhub Well-Known Member

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    Really? So if you had a theoretical 6 tuner S5, it wouldn't matter whether you had 30hr unit or a 300hr unit?

    If you were going from a setup with 4 single-tuner S2s, each with 400hrs (1600hr total capacity), are you telling me you won't feel crimped going to 2 dual-tuner S3s, each with 33hrs (66hr total capacity)?

    I didn't say the amount of space needed to record a show varies depending on how many tuners you have.

    What I am saying is if you have more tuners, you tend to need more recording capacity. There is a ratio of hrs/tuner that will make sense and it will vary among individuals.
     
  2. lutton

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    This is good news, thanks!
     
  3. ohendo

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    I personally would not find # hours/tuner to be relevant. I want to know how much space I have to store programming, period. I'm not always recording with both tuners at the same time. Therefore, using your methodology, my # of hours/tuner for the tuner I'm using to record with goes up (equaling the total space on my drive) while the # of hours/tuner for the non recording tuner is zero. Or maybe it's infinite; it depends on how you look at it. Either way, it doesn't seem useful to label the space in that manner.
     
  4. classicX

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    Are you saving shows for the winter or something?? Seriously, that is a lot of recording.
     
  5. ohendo

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    Maybe he is using a shotgun approach. Record anything and everything that catches your eye; then, when you have time to watch, go through and find only the most enticing.

    That way you've got a great selection, and you don't have to regret not recording something you ended up wanting to see.
     
  6. Motaki

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    Yes, I know. That's why I have spreadsheets to manage my season passes.

    I'd say 50% are shows that I want to watch right away (CSI's, Heroes, Lost, 24, Veronica Mars, Dexter, Survivor, Idol, etc.), 25% are shows that I really like but store for the summer (House, Housewives, Without a Trace, Sopranos, etc.) and the remaining are new shows that I record and see how they do before I commit to them (Jericho, Kidnapped, Vanished, The Nine, etc.) - if they get cancelled then I wipe them out without watching. Sadly, dual tuners is not enough which is why I have 2 beefed up S3's which was still not enough. And then there's the new baby, which really cuts down on our TV watching time!
     
  7. sfhub

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    I have no problem with you saying it doesn't make sense for your usage. I had a problem with the original reply saying it makes no sense at all.

    BTW the main point that might be getting lost here is we should talk about #hrs rather than # of terabytes since the 1:1 ratios is no longer a good estimate.

    I actually do have all my tuners recording at the same time quite often. That's the whole reason I obtained multiple tuners. My recording is very symmetrical in nature. I come from a 5 tuner SD ReplayTV system where I pretty much record all of primetime 6 days a week, then decide what to watch later. I assign 1 tuner per major network (NBC, ABC, FOX, CBS) with the 5th tuner assigned to odds and ends. This effectively gets rid for almost all potential for conflicts :01 :59 etc. w/o need for truncating.

    Basically each of the 4 main tuners record 3hrs/day, 6days/week (well FOX is actually only 2hrs/day but I share it with FX), so that is 18hrs/tuner-unit/week.

    Each unit is a 200hr unit, so I have 200/18=11 weeks of recording potential on each tuner. From my experience that gives me enough leeway to watch things in the order I choose and also to take long vacations without worrying about units running out of space.

    If I switched to 2 x dual-tuner S3s with a one 166hr unit and one 33hr unit, then I could record 166/18=9 weeks of programming on the NBC/ABC unit while only being able to record 33/18=2 weeks of programming on the FOX/CBS unit. This then forces me to watch FOX/CBS shows first, before watching NBC/ABC shows because it will run out of space first. It also limits my amount of time I can spend on vacations before losing shows to the lowest common denominator of 2 weeks.

    I think folks that are on a single dual-tuner system might be the type that just has the occasional conflict (so the 2nd tuner often isn't used) but once you have need for 2 or 3 dual-tuner systems (to avoid conflicts), you are clearly doing a lot of simultaneous recording. In this case it makes sense for them to calculate the # hrs/week a particular unit will be recording and have enough space on that unit to keep the # of weeks of programming they feel comfortable with.

    In my case, my usage is very symmetrical so instead of #hrs unit, I just use #hrs/tuner.

    One nice thing about the approach I use is that scheduling which show goes on which unit becomes incredibly simple. Finding which unit recorded which show becomes very simple also. Deciding which show to record or not also becomes very simple. Finally scheduling conflicts drop to never since it is tough for a station to conflict with itself.
     

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