XM on DirecTV = bag of suck

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  1. BlankMan

    BlankMan I'm the Kettle

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    Yeah. Stop reminding me. Radio = Sucks :)
     
  2. chrpai

    chrpai Goodbye DirecTV

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    Well sure, you are using the assignment operator and not the equality operator.

    I don't really listen to FM radio either. I usually listen to AM talk radio.
     
  3. TomK

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    I don't hear any commercials on the XM music channels. I do hear promos of what's coming on other channels but a promo is not a commercial in my opinion. I hate commercials but I don't mind promos.
     
  4. BlankMan

    BlankMan I'm the Kettle

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    This was posted in another thread but I'll post it here for TomK's benefit. This is the third time I had to do that.

    Those interruptions you refer to as "Promos" are de facto commercials. One of the definitions of Commercial is "Sponsored by an advertiser or supported by advertising". The definition of an Advertiser is:

    1. To make public announcement of, especially to proclaim the qualities or advantages of (a product or business) so as to increase sales. See Synonyms at announce.
    2. To make known; call attention to: advertised my intention to resign.
    3. To warn or notify: “This event advertises me that there is such a fact as death” (Henry David Thoreau).

    Nowhere does that part say it has to be from/for someone/something else nor does it qualify that money has to exchange hands to be considered a commercial. The part of the definition that says "supported by advertising" implies some sort of payment takes place to do the "support" part but that does not have to be money, one XM channel could be advertising thus supporting another XM channel. At any rate that part is qualified by an "or", so "Sponsored by an advertiser" take precedence in this case.

    XM is making various announcements of its programming, station name and whatnot, therefore they are the "Advertiser" and they are the Sponsor in what is the Commercial. Nowhere does it say just because they are advertising themselves well then that's not a commercial.

    Don't kid yourself, they are commercials. Can't wait till somebody gets PO'd enough or some lawyer somewhere decides to start a class action suit based on it being advertised as "Commercial Free" when it's really not. Where's Denny Crane when you need him...


    And....

    The other morning I was flipping through channels and checked out Highway 16 again. During the short time I had it on there was this big blaring spot (commercial, advertisement, promo, what ever you want to call it) for XM's Gospel music channel. Now not that I'm against Gospel music, I actually like it, but that Commercial had nothing to do with the songs being played on Highway 16 or by any stretch of the imagination anything at all to do with Highway 16.

    I don't know how anyone can defend that and not classify it as a Commercial.

    Period.
     
  5. tivoupgrade

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    You are not alone in your opinion. My wife and I liked the MC stuff much more than XM; the choices we preferred are not even close to being comparable with the XM selection we now have.

    Personally, I would have preferred a move to Sirius, if a move needed to be made.
     
  6. BlankMan

    BlankMan I'm the Kettle

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    Ok, how about Radio == Sucks? :) Sucks == Not Good. XM ~= Radio. :D

    Me too. NPR in the morning. Local AM Talk Show on the way home. NPR for music in the evening.
     
  7. IndyJones1023

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    Since it's text, I can't tell if your condescending attitude was intentional or not. I know what a segue is. I know how to pronounce it. And I also know that MC did not do this and it deteriorates the quality of both songs.
     
  8. chrpai

    chrpai Goodbye DirecTV

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    For reasons that I won't enumerate, I don't listed to NPR. I'll let you guess why.
     
  9. chrpai

    chrpai Goodbye DirecTV

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    You mean did he mean to be condescending or that he just can't help it? Does it really matter?
     
  10. IndyJones1023

    IndyJones1023 Auteur

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    To me it does.
     
  11. BlankMan

    BlankMan I'm the Kettle

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    I can be condescending and mean it. :D

    I hate segues in radio too. I want to hear the song, the whole song, and nothing but the song. FM Radio, one station, always lops off the end of a song I really like, every single time. And not just a couple seconds a good 10, if not 15. They will be receiving a comment regarding that in the near future.

    I just timed it, that FM station lops off 24 seconds of the song.
     
  12. tbeckner

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    BlankMan, I am with you about the chatter, but I also agree with some of the other people on this forum, that our chatter about the chatter on XM RADIO is as BAD as the chatter on XM RADIO.

    I have a great new idea, my daughter had channel 866 on today for classical music and when it interrupted to do their chatter, they said something about e-mail, why don't we bombard XM RADIO e-mail with our complains.

    I do not have all the information yet on how we can do that, but when I have their e-mail addresses, I will post them. Maybe if we hit the DJ's directly with the complains about their excessive chatter they might get the idea that maybe they could cut it down or maybe at least forward those complaints to management.

    We would be doing everyone a favor, not just us, even the XM RADIO fan, listeners, and subscribers would be happier if there was less chatter and more music.

    I will post the e-mail addreses as soon as I find them.
     
  13. skinnyjm

    skinnyjm I'm Grumpy???

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    Not as good as MC, but we don't get to decide, do we? :confused:
     
  14. dtremain

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    Really? You might want to look up the meaning of the word "commercial" as in "commerce" as in money.

    Looking up the word "advertise" in a general dictionary has nothing to do with what the word means in the broadcasting industry.

    As I tell my students, looking up the meanings of a commonly used word in a general dictionary does not qualify as research, and does not act to support your point. You have to deal with what the word means in the current context. Doing that, XM does not broadcast advertising or commercials. They do broadcast promos and the occasional psa.
     
  15. dtremain

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    I meant to be informative. I have no idea what those who have never been in the broadcast industry know in terms of jargon. MC did not do segues. They were not radio. To say it deteriorates the quality of both songs is a subjective judgement. Some would argue that an interesting segue can add to the quality of the whole presentation.

    Forgive me if this sounds condescending, but it is only pop. Nobody segues opera arias.
     
  16. tbeckner

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    There is NO reason why any music service should be cutting into the music, that is just plain TACKY. If they want to chatter, they can wait until the music has finished playing and leave a small couple of seconds blank period, just like a CD or vinyl record.
     
  17. chadhumm

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    i dont care what you call it or how you define it they talk too much and it sucks. hence the name-bag of suck. mc was better no interruption and better choices. everytime ive called directv or they call me they've sounded suprised when I mention the profanity thrown in on the rock station. I'm going to make a recording and play it for them or send it to them, i can't imagine those that decide on the programming watch or listen to it all the time. if they did we wouldn't have XM crap. There use to be a nice flow song after song after song with no interruptions it was so pleasant. Now I hear ads..commercials...chatter..dj's trying to be what they think is cool, or what they think is funny ..and not being successful at it. and for some reason they interrupt to tell you what the song and artist is... thats unnecessary unless you can't read .. they actually cut off parts of the music to tell us this. and most of the chatter is NOT music related.
     
  18. FlWingNut

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    Briefly, as I mentioned on another thread, what you perceive as chatter, unfunny, what they think is cool..etc, could be enjoyed by others. Everyone uses the radio differently. Remember, XM was not designed as a "home" listening service in the way that MC was/is. It was first designed as an alternative to OTA radio, with everything "radio" except the commercial loads, and the first receivers were car/portable. Hence, the need for artist/title info, DJ chatter to keep you company on long commutes, and talk and sports channels. I'm not sure the folks at XM ever anticipated people using it at home or work for hours at a time "listening" through their TV sets with info buttons at the ready. In other words, to the people at XM, their paying customer base comes first, not the Directv crowd, and if the base likes it it'll stay the same.

    For the record, I don't care which service they use. The channels are a bonus anyway -- I subscribe for the TV channels.
     
  19. heySkippy

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    Probably the same people who think laugh tracks are a good thing in sitcoms.
     
  20. formulaben

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    I would agree, except that these guys advertise "commercial free" so the whole argument goes out the window...
     

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