Xfinity OnDemand XOD Alternatives?

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  1. Jun 14, 2019 #41 of 105
    Mikeguy

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    That's one way to do it and look at it. Another is, how many years of use and enjoyment still can be gotten.
     
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  2. Jun 14, 2019 #42 of 105
    BNBTivo

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    For us? None. Once Comcast/Tivo dumped OnDemand, the Tivo became basically a piece of junk. I don't want multiple devices and all that nonsense, that was the draw of the Tivo, a single device. Once they couldn't provide that, I'd say it was a worthless DVR, but apparently all the equipment was worth over $2k... so, yeah, cool. We did get enjoyment out of it until the failure of Comcast/Tivo to continue providing the service they sold me. So it wasn't a loss or anything. And now we have a couple thousand extra in the bank and save $150/mo with better service and more content. So overall, big win. Just glad those boxes are still worth something at the moment.
     
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  3. Jun 14, 2019 #43 of 105
    BNBTivo

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    That's exactly what net neutrality prevented. ISP's couldn't zero rate their own or preferred services or give bandwidth preferences. That was the entire point of net neutrality. I'm not sure you understand what net neutrality was/is.

    This may help: How You'll Know Net Neutrality Is Really Gone

    In simpler terms, we get data caps and then zero rating of preferred services. So it's too expensive to switch to other streaming TV services, for example because of the data caps. So yeah, sure, you want Hulu Live TV instead of Comcast TV? Counts against their arbitrary data cap, you blow through the cap (they know you will) and boom, extra $50/mo for Comcast in overage charges! Or, you can just buy Comcast TV, wink wink. It allows the monopolistic ISP's to screw customers and force them in to their own services.

    That said, I probably sound like a huge net neutrality fan. I'm more in the middle. I think the free market is on it's way to solving this issue all by itself and for the benefit of consumers when it comes to home data caps. But that doesn't mean we won't get net neutrality back next time we have a left-leaning administration.
     
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  4. Jun 14, 2019 #44 of 105
    NashGuy

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    I'd just point out to anyone who doesn't already know this that TiVo's Next-Gen Platform (IP/cloud-based) can only be implemented in partnership with a given TV/broadband operator. There's no way to implement this platform in retail TiVo devices that one could buy individually and then use with the TV operator of your choice.

    I'd also point out that TiVo is quickly going to find this Next-Gen Platform running up against BIG competitors like Google's YouTube TV, the about-to-launch AT&T TV, Disney's Hulu with Live TV, and eventually probably even Xfinity TV*. Those streaming OTT TV players will aim to strike redistribution agreements with broadband operators to sell their TV services to their broadband customers, streaming over those operators' own networks. "Sure you could spend money to upgrade to managed IPTV and use TiVo's Next-Gen Platform. But you'd still have the cost and headaches of negotiating those cable network carriage contracts, managing set-top boxes, providing customer service and technical support. Who needs it? Just sell our service and leave all that hard work to us! We'll give you a little cut of the subscription fees. We just ask that you sweeten the deal for your customers who bundle our service with your broadband by not counting our streaming against their data cap (if you have one)."

    *Yes, I know that right now Xfinity TV is only distributed inside Comcast's own footprint, to folks who have an actual Comcast line running into their homes. But the shifting economics of the cable TV industry will force them to make Xfinity TV available to anyone, anywhere with an internet connection. Keep in mind that next year, Comcast/NBCU is going to launch their own nationwide OTT Hulu-competitor, an SVOD service featuring classic shows and movies they own (e.g. The Office) plus new original series. (I'm sure this service will also be home to new movies from Universal when their output deal expires with HBO at the end of 2022.) Comcast has already indicated that they mainly see this service as a complement to the cable TV bundle, with some of the content (e.g. next-day access to shows from the NBC family of channels) inside the SVOD only accessible if you unlock it with a cable authentication log-in. But Comcast would be crazy not to also allow customers to actually pay for and subscribe to Xfinity TV cable channel bundles inside the app too, and integrate it all together, as Hulu does with their Live TV add-on.
     
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  5. Jun 14, 2019 #45 of 105
    TonyD79

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    We had net neutrality and they zeroed their own content. They did the same with phone services. Nothing ever prevents you from giving something away. Net neutrality was more about access and not making third party deals. It wasn’t about deals with the consumer but deals company to company.
     
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  6. Jun 14, 2019 #46 of 105
    schatham

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    Unless Antenna TV goes away Tivo will survive. Their are more than 15 million Antenna TV users.

    A little marketing in this direction would help.
     
  7. Jun 14, 2019 #47 of 105
    NashGuy

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    Yes, TiVo makes a very nice DVR for OTA antenna users. But the number of free OTA TV users who want to pay for DVR hardware/service probably isn't all that high. And TiVo is also battling against Tablo, HDHomeRun (which optionally works with both Plex and Channels DVR), DISH (Sling TV/AirTV), and Amazon (!) in the OTA DVR space. So it's a little crowded.

    I expect it to become a bit more crowded going forward as AT&T and maybe others follow in the footsteps of DISH/Sling TV by offering free OTA DVR service integrated into their streaming cable TV service if you subscribe to it.
     
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  8. Jun 15, 2019 #48 of 105
    BNBTivo

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    And antenna TV is going to be on its way out as well. It's not a long term strategy.
     
  9. Jun 15, 2019 #49 of 105
    Mikeguy

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    But, it's not happening tomorrow--it's evolutionary, not cataclysmic. The question is, can a company like TiVo evolve as well, or will it fail or, just call it a day and roll over.
     
  10. Jun 15, 2019 #50 of 105
    slowbiscuit

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    Sure if the major players like Comcast let them. But Tivo won't say a damn word about it, so the consensus is that Tivo IPTV is a non-starter and as Nash said basically just leaves them milking patents.
     
  11. Jun 15, 2019 #51 of 105
    BNBTivo

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    That's why I wrote "not a long term strategy" - of course it won't happen overnight. I'm not sure how Tivo can or will evolve in to the future. It's certainly not a company I would hold stock in. Their products are great for right now, but technology is replacing Tivo rapidly.
     
  12. Jun 15, 2019 #52 of 105
    BNBTivo

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    Excellent post.
     
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  13. Jun 15, 2019 #53 of 105
    NashGuy

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    TiVo already has an IPTV DVR. The actual set-top box uses the Hydra UI and has an updated, more compact TiVo peanut remote. You can read about it here:
    Next-Gen Platform | TiVo

    TiVo IPTV.jpg

    BUT (and this is a big but)... this IPTV DVR can only be used when the pay TV operator uses TiVo's overall system, which includes provisioning software that they deploy on their own servers. If you took one of these IPTV TiVo boxes and tried to use it with, let's say AT&T's Uverse TV (which is an IPTV provider that doesn't license TiVo's overall IPTV system), it wouldn't work. At all.
     
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  14. Jun 15, 2019 #54 of 105
    slowbiscuit

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    Which doesn't count, really. You know I was talking about retail.
     
  15. Jun 15, 2019 #55 of 105
    BNBTivo

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    It really is smart of Tivo to work with cable companies this way. I think they would be well served completely dumping the retail side, well, other than keeping a solid OTA product with excellent streaming app support.
     
  16. Jun 15, 2019 #56 of 105
    NashGuy

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    The retail side serves as a lower-risk way to develop and beta test new concepts, such as the Hydra UI, before systemwide deployments on their partners' systems. This is why you're not going to see TiVo sink resources into much of anything on the B2C retail side that can't be repurposed for, or somehow serve, their B2B partner products.

    The symbiotic relationship does help retail users too, though. We wouldn't be seeing those upcoming TiVo apps for Apple TV, Fire TV, Roku and Android TV if TiVo didn't need to offer them to their pay TV partners as part of their overall suite of solutions.
     
  17. Jun 15, 2019 #57 of 105
    Mikeguy

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    I've seen people say that here often before--but has TiVo actually been doing that? In the case of Hydra, I believe that it went to the cableco market first (wasn't it a Spain cableco?).
     
  18. Jun 15, 2019 #58 of 105
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, they actually did first deploy Hydra -- an early version of it -- on TiVo boxes used with a Spanish cable partner. Then they kept developing it and deployed it in the US first on retail boxes. And then based on the feedback there, came up with what they're now deploying much more broadly on US cable/IPTV partner boxes. That one instance of putting some new out first on a single (foreign) cable partner is all that I'm aware of, although there might be others.
     
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  19. Jun 17, 2019 #59 of 105
    CloudAtlas

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    The consensus of speculation & wild guesses based on zero insider knowledge is that it’s a non-starter.

    It’s in Comcast’s best interest to support small players like TiVO (and others) to avoid looking like the big bad monopolies that they are. Talk of regulating or even breaking up large tech companies from Facebook, Amazon, Google, to Apple have become national news.

    And as soon as 2020 the FCC could have a new chairman who actually cares about consumers and actually does his job.
     
  20. Jun 29, 2019 #60 of 105
    samccfl99

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    Hi, so I got a Roku Premier+ today. When the Xfinity Stream App Beta comes up, after it loads and says Initializing, it gets an error. It says SORRY, TRY AGAIN LATER...LOL. No error code. Anyone? Thanks.
     

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