Xfinity eliminating all TiVos

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by Garry Hansen, Nov 12, 2020.

  1. dianebrat

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    I think the issue throughout this thread is that your definition of "iptv channels" is not the same as the one the majority of posters are using, while you are right on a technical level that pluto is IPTV based, it requires an app no matter where you watch it, it's an apples vs oranges discussion where you keep saying "they're both fruit so they're the same!"

    Whereas the initial discussion was started about not being able to watch the channels Comcast has moved to iptv that their newer STBs can handle natively.
     
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  2. gabrielstern

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    Maybe, but from what I saw in this forum the initial discussion was about someone saying Comcast was eliminating all cable cards and requiring their customers to use their x1 boxes, which is just not true, and my first post was to outline through steps how to workaround it if you move and a sales person usually an independent one tries to make false statements like that or an improperly trained rep would say things like that.

    Somehow then iptv channels vs qam made it into the discussion, which is a totally separate issue from cable cards, and while true the x1 box can handle iptv channels and apps like Pluto, so can tivos where the romio and newer tivos also have the Pluto app,

    My third point was that if iptv was such a big deal it was a 99 dollar fix with a roku device.

    But yes you are correct it's apples vs oranges cable cards are a totaly separate issue from iptv channels and apps.
     
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  3. Bruce24

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    While I know Comcast illegally used TiVo IP in the past and ended up removing features from there platform because of it, the X1 UI came out many years before Hydra.
     
  4. gabrielstern

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    If you are talking about when x1 first came out in 2013 that interface looked just like the interface on the romio which ran on te3.

    The Grey background interface that looks just like hydra came out in 2017 around the time hydra was in the testing faze.

    Comcast stopped pay trademark patent c
    Fees to tivo at the end of 2016 early 2017.
     
  5. PSU_Sudzi

    PSU_Sudzi Well-Known Member

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    TiVos can only handle IPTV via an app, not by using any of their tuners. It’s a subtle but important distinction.
     
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  6. NashGuy

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    Right. The discussion above has gotten a bit muddy. There are two types of IPTV: managed IPTV, which runs only on a provider's own internal network, and OTT (over-the-top) video, which runs over the open internet, accessible through any ISP. Comcast makes their cable TV packages available to TV-connected devices, including their X1 boxes as well as Roku and Fire TV, via managed IPTV. You must be connected to Comcast internet service to access it.

    Examples of OTT video include things like Pluto TV, as well as Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, etc. While TiVo DVRs have apps for use with some of those OTT services, they cannot be used with Comcast's managed IPTV service, even if they are connected to Comcast internet service. This is why a TiVo DVR used with Comcast cable TV won't be able to access a few of the newest channels that Comcast may have added in your area in the last couple of years. For instance, I've read that the new ScreenPix channels are IPTV-only (at least in some areas) and therefore simply won't show up on a TiVo. Same for Hallmark Drama, Sundance, and QVC 2 and 3. And there are HD versions of lots of channels that are IPTV-only, although the SD versions are still on QAM and therefore accessible by TiVos.

    Hallmark Drama channel IP only? - Xfinity Help and Support Forums - 3281002
     
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  7. gabrielstern

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    It is but remember cable cards are an outdated technology, thats why tivos cannot handle via a tuner, if cable companies switched to cable Sim cards with a microchip and a plastic adapter case and the federal government mandated it that would solve the problem but I believe with the xfinity stream app on rokus and Samsung tvs you can access the few iptv channels Xfinity’s has or Comcast, just got a notice that aspire will only be viewable via HD programming and equipment tivos are considered HD equipment, so not sure if that means it is going iptv only.

    But I do have 2 rokus with the xfinity stream app I just can't record off of it.
     
  8. chiguy50

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    Adding to the above, an apt illustration of the distinction between managed and over-the-top IPTV is Comcast's own IP-delivered subscriber CATV channels (the former) vs. their Xfinity Stream app (the latter).
     
  9. gabrielstern

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    Thanks for explaining in more detail what I have been trying to explain several times.
     
  10. gabrielstern

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    Just checked my xfinity stream app channels that Comcast has decided are iptv only such as hallmark drama channel are on the xfinity stream app only problem is you can't record from the stream app, again the proper solution is for the federal government to mandate cable Sim cards be sold not leased by each cable company, or provided free just like cellphone companies, and to make devolop and make available for sale a plastic adapter case that the cable Sim card can go into for older devices, than cable companies can switch to iptv only and the adapter case with a chip reader can read all the channels and encryption codes and the tivos can read them, in other words it is not the tivos themselves that is the issue it is the cable cards which is a very outdated technology. Which is from 1996.
     
  11. NashGuy

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    Well, to clarify a bit more, the Xfinity Stream app is OTT only on mobile devices. The Xfinity Stream app used on a TV-connected device (e.g. Roku, Fire TV, Samsung and LG smart TVs) is not OTT, it's managed IPTV (entirely on Comcast's network, does not count against your data usage cap). The distinction is that the mobile app will let you watch some (but not all) live channels, as well as cloud DVR recordings and select on-demand TV content over any internet connection, whether that's cellular or out-of-home wifi.
    Get Started with the Xfinity Stream App - Xfinity Support

    But the TV-connected app will only work on your home internet connection provided by Comcast, and it provides your entire TV service (all live channels, all on-demand content, and all cloud DVR recordings).
    Watching Xfinity channels via Roku stick when traveling - Xfinity Help and Support Forums - 3311280.
     
  12. gabrielstern

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    Yes but unless you have an x1 dvr you cannot record from them I have a triple play with Comcast, but use tivos but also have 2 rokus again the solution would be to mandate cable Sim cards and a plastic adapter case with a chip reader and in the adapter case a convertor to so the tivos can see all channels. As qam is going to go away eventually, unless the tivo would be able to read and see all channels just through a cable Sim card and the adapter case with just a chip reader.
     
  13. NashGuy

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    I don't know which exact TV package you're on but I can tell you that the main set of TV packages that Comcast has been selling in this area for about two years now (Basic, Extra, Preferred) all come with 20 hours of cloud DVR included at no additional cost. (You can expand that to 150 hrs for an extra $10/mo or to 300 hrs for an extra $20/mo.) If you happen to be on one of those packages, then yes, you can record from within the Xfinity Stream app for Roku/Fire TV/smart TV to your cloud DVR. Now, if you're on a legacy package such as Digital Starter, Digital Economy or Digital Preferred, then you may not have cloud DVR service attached to your account at all, in which case, no, I guess you couldn't record anything from within the Xfinity Stream app.
     
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  14. morac

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    That’s not correct. I do not have a X1 DVR (or any Comcast box) and I can schedule cloud recordings via the Xfinity Stream mobile app and the Roku app.
     
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  15. PSU_Sudzi

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    Same here. But I do have their modem.
     
  16. chiguy50

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

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    I actually meant to cite Comcast's Peacock app as their OTT IP distribution vehicle, not the Stream. The Stream is a more apt analogy to Comcast's CATV programming since both are channel-based, but you are correct that it is mananged IPTV in the main. Sorry for the brain fart.:oops:
     
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  17. TKnight206

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    I logged into Comcast only to find this mentioned in the billing section... and not on the bill PDF! Oh, how overlooked this might be.

    Effective June 29, 2021, QVC HD will no longer be available on channel 692. It can still be found on channels 114 & 1015.

    Below is mentioned in the PDF bill, however.

    I also see this: Effective June 24, 2021, OWN HD (channels 693 & 1464) will change from east to west coast feed

    114 is QVC HD also. So, I don't think it's an IP-only situation. I think they might be freeing up 692 for something to do with OWN. But, I'm speculating.

    Posting in this thread because it may be relevant if my speculation is wrong.
     
  18. gabrielstern

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    Probably right I can't get hallmark drama yet through my tivo but I can watch it on the xfinity stream app on my roku. Also they have been moving some channels around with xfinity for example I can get some news channel now that used to be OWN and own has moved. Mgm HD seems to be not around on either so I think they are moving things around.

    But they need to come up with a good cable card replacement that is Sim card oriented that. Can covert to qam but the truth is iptv still needs to convert to qam anyway to be viewable.
     
  19. TKnight206

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    Back in my 2018 bill:
    Was Hallmark Drama ever QAM? If so, it's awful they made Hallmark Drama an IP-only channel when they could have just left a low-bandwidth SD version for people to watch on QAM.
     
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  20. gabrielstern

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    No Comcast just added it last November but is still only available on the x1 box or xfinity stream app.

    I have the package that includes the premier tier which is the super triple play which when I signed up included everything but 7 months later they removed Cinemax and Starz.

    My contract is almost up so I may look at fios or see if they can keep me in the same package for 12 more months as a promotion at the same rate.
     

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