Would like to buy Bolt, but house is wired with coax

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  1. Mar 31, 2017 #1 of 126
    jmsbnd

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    Hello - I received the offer from TiVo to convert my lifetime service (on my Series 2) for $99 if I purchase a Bolt. Would do it in a second, but I have coax running to two different TVs in the house from my Series 2. I really don't have the option of running other cables through the house, and I don't want to buy a Bolt for each TV. Any suggestions for having a Bolt and using the coax? Or am I just out of luck. Thank you.
     
  2. Mar 31, 2017 #2 of 126
    krkaufman

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    I'm not really sure what you're asking. Coax is generally required, so it's usually not a "but" situation.

    Are you saying that you're outputting video from your Series 2 to two different TVs via the RF output of the Series 2?

    The typical upgrade for your scenario is to install a BOLT at one TV and a TiVo Mini at the other, with the Mini networked to the BOLT via MoCA (over the coax). The one drawback to this setup is that it would lack simultaneous synchronized playback on both TVs... without some alternate technology involved.

    Additional info:
    • BOLT only outputs HDMI
    • Mini can output HDMI, component and composite
     
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    rcoates777

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    Read up on MoCA and consider buying a TiVo Mini. This should give you what you need. The MoCA (provided by the Bolt) will let you use your existing coax for the required Ehternet connections. You'd need a TiVo mini for each set and they go for $150 each.
     
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    Mikeguy

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    I can't help but wonder, if the Series 2 can do it, can't the Bolt do it as well.

    That being said, as other have noted, your set-up is ideal for a Mini, which would allow you to do what you're currently doing over the coax but also have the ability for the 2 TVs to be tuned to separate shows.
     
  5. Mar 31, 2017 #5 of 126
    jmsbnd

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    Thank you for the response. You are correct. I split the coax rf output from the Series 2, one branch to tv A, and one to tv B. We have very small rooms, so both tvs are wall mounted with feeds coming through the attic from the central TiVo location. So my restrictions are: 1) I want to keep the TiVo "centralized" (no peripheral devices in the rooms), and 2) My budget is limited to the $99 service fee and the one TiVo Bolt device at $299. (You will understand #2 better if you are married.) So, I probably can't make this work using coax (HD bandwidth exceeds coax capacity, I believe).
     
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    kpeters59

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    You could (although it's a bit further 'out there'...) Split the HDMI signal and send it over the coax with a HDMI Over Coax Adapter (go figure...).

    Those are likely to blow your budget a bit.

    You're STILL not watching HD, though?

    -KP
     
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    Mikeguy

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    How about: get the $199 Bolt and buy a Mini with the $100 savings plus a few pizzas? ;)

    And even better: buy the $199 Bolt with a credit card that provides price protection, and then file a claim on the Bolt price as compared to the $50-$75 lower price you can find for it at Amazon.com, etc. Using that extra $ to pay for the balance of the Mini.

    Just a thought. ;)
     
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    krkaufman

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    I expect they *are* looking at the $200 500GB BOLT, but are including the All-in/Lifetime service fee in their $300 figure.
     
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    krkaufman

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    It doesn't sound like it, not with the BOLT, itself, consuming your entire budget -- and the BOLT having only HDMI output.
     
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    krkaufman

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    Not necessarily - the old S2 had two features not available on a Bolt:
    1. It could "phone home" on a real phone line - no network needed. I'm not even sure TiVo still supports that at the mother ship, but it is a difference nonetheless.
    2. It could output low-quality video over a coax connection to an old SD type TV on either channel 3 or 4, just like the old VCRs did. It seems that this feature is what is important to the OP (*although I just cannot imagine anyone being willing to watch such a terrible quality picture in this day).

    The solution has already been identified by other posters, but may still cost more than he has available: Place a new Lifetime Bolt ($300) at one TV, and place a new Mini ($150) at the other one. This would give full modern functionality with four tuners at both TVs that far exceedes the old S2 capabilities for a total price of $458 max (including a POE filter for the MoCA).
     
  12. Apr 1, 2017 #12 of 126
    jmsbnd

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    Well done. I like it.
     
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    jmsbnd

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    Right - still not watching HD. There seems to be a solution with, for example, HDMI Extender over CAT5 - 5 Year Warranty. This requires a pair of these for each cable - expensive to protect legacy infrastructure.
     
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    Maybe it's time to upgrade your infrastructure to CAT 6? Since distances are short, you might be able to do it yourself with cables from monoprice.com.
     
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    kpeters59

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    Well, you said you don't have cat5, so you'd be stuck with HDMI over coax, which are ~$100 premium over cat 5. The units I installed last week, which were NOT constrained by this budget, included I/r. It ended up that the RF function worked well enough from ~40' that we didnt bother with it.
    Using a balun like this is a solution to not running new wire.
    -KP
     
  16. Apr 3, 2017 #16 of 126
    jmsbnd

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    So I think what you're talking about is the attached diagram. However, what I'm not getting is where is the coax "out" that goes through the house over coax to the remote TV?
     
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    Dan203

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    There is no "coax out" or RF modulator for HD, so your old system isn't going to work. But luckily TiVo has a whole house system that works way better then that anyway and requires no additional wiring on your part.

    Both the Bolt and the Minis have a networking standard built in called MoCa, which uses your coax cables instead of needing ethernet. So all you need to do is hook up the Bolt in the room where your S2 is now and then get a Mini for each of the secondary TVs. Enable MoCa on all of them and boom you're back up and running. Best part about this setup, over what you're using now, is thatyou can actually watch something different in eery room simultaneously.
     
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    krkaufman

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    MoCA is bidirectional. The MoCA signals flow in and out of the coax port on the BOLT, the same coax port through which the BOLT receives its TV signal.

    MoCA is just networking over coax lines, with TiVo's MoCA implementation (MoCA Band D) operating at RF frequencies above those used for OTA antenna and cable TV, allowing MoCA to coexist on the same coax lines as OTA or cable signals.

    OTA: 40-806 MHz
    Cable: 5-1002 MHz
    MoCA*: 1125-1675 MHz

    * MoCA Band D + MoCA 2.0 Extended Band D
    The only MoCA adapters you'll find bridge between MoCA(coax) and Ethernet networking. If that's not what you're looking to do, then MoCA isn't what you're looking for. For those with a TiVo whole home solution, MoCA's a great fit since the TiVo Mini has built-in MoCA connectivity and most recent TiVo DVRs* support bridging between Ethernet and MoCA.

    * TiVo DVRs w/ MoCA bridging support: 4-tuner Premieres, 6-tuner Roamios, BOLT & BOLT+​
     
  19. Apr 3, 2017 #19 of 126
    jmsbnd

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    First, an apology for my being an idiot on this product and technology, although I am slowly learning. I like your description. Graphically, is it like the attached house diagram? It sounds like if money is no object, I just need a Bolt with the cable/antenna coax coming into it, and a Mini at each TV. Now for the idiot part - where the diagram shows the two coax cables connecting to the Bolt, how does that physical connection actually occur? Or do I lay the cables close to the Bolt and magic happens?
     
  20. Apr 3, 2017 #20 of 126
    Dan203

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    It depends on how your coax is setup. Does each room have a cable/antenna feed? If so connect the Minis to that and ignore the coax you use to use for the video distribution. If not then what you want to do is add a splitter right behind the Bolt. Connect the input side to the cable/antenna feed, then connect the output legs one directly to the Bolt and the other to your distribution coax. That will bridge the two halves so that the Bolt's MoCa signal can reach the other rooms.
     

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