Would it have been better for Series 3 to also work with cable boxes?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by gastrof, Sep 2, 2006.

  1. bicker

    bicker bUU

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    Gosh, it amazes me how rude and childish some folks get when their personal vision of the world is challenged.

    Regardless, it's not "logic". It's implication. Series 2 can record content from a cable box. Series 3 can't. Get over it.
     
  2. SCSIRAID

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    My answer is YES. Not for HD.. but for SD.

    TWC has implemented Digital Simulcast for SD which provides far superior PQ. There is a significant difference in PQ between my S2 recording via the tuner and via the S-Video input from the cablebox outputting from the Digital Simulcast. TWC CC provides the analog versions of basic cable... not the digital simulcast.

    This is currently the dealbreaker for me and S3. That may change if early adopters indicate far superior SD recording with S3 vs S2.
     
  3. bkdtv

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    Why is this a deal breaker? The Series3 supports digital simulcast, which is different from SDV.
     
  4. SCSIRAID

    SCSIRAID Active Member

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    The cablecard channels 1-100 are the analog versions... not the digital simulcast. Unless you can manually remap the channels, the tivo wont know what to do with them.
     
  5. Norm_bone

    Norm_bone Lord of the Turkeys

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    For what it's worth, put me down for a yes. I'm dissapointed that the Series 3 won't have an IR blaster. We have Dish, and I was looking forward to recording OTA in HD, even if we couldn't get HD for the Dish channels.

    Regarding the points made about how long one would be willing to wait, what's another quarter after waiting a year and a half? Didn't they show the prototype Series 3 at 2005's CES?

    As far as additional upkeep for IR blaster codes, since that's being done for the Series 2 and 2DT's, could it really be that much more to support the Series 3 as well?

    I've never had much trouble with IR blaster, and I expected the Series 3 to add functionality, not take it away.
     
  6. bkdtv

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    The CableCard should apply the same remapping as the digital STB. It shouldn't matter what the analog channels are on.
     
  7. SCSIRAID

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    I wish that were true... I have a CC in the TV and when tuning some of the 1-100 channels I can see analog 'stuff' like snow and wavy lines that are not present when viewing via the STB.

    Someone also posted a TWC website which stated that Digital Simulcast was not available via Cablecard.
     
  8. SCSIRAID

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    Found it....

    http://www.timewarnercable.com/rochester/products/cablecard.html
     
  9. lessd

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    The Series was designed to replace the cable cos cable box not work with it, the Series 2 (and S2-DT) was designed to work with or without a cable box. There would no point for a Series 3 to work with a cable box as there is no was it could record HD programs (at a reasonable cost) from any cable box. Someday this may not be true but because of copy protection of HDMI HD transmission, or the cost of component input to a recording device (the electronics to turn component input into a HD recording keeping the 5.1 sound is for now way too expensive for consumers) it can't be done today. The TiVo Series 3 was probably held up so when it was released there would be Cable Cards availability in most cable systems.
     
  10. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    That's sad...looks like TWC is intentionally sabotaging CableCard on their systems.
     
  11. apsarkis

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    Seems like TWC is sending out mixed messages. For our (upstate NY) area, they list: Basic, Digital, Premium and HD channels as being supported by CC, while only the obvious PPV and 2-way featured listed as not supported.
    http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/products/cable/cablecard.html

    I went in and spoke to one of their tech's at our local office Friday morning, and he said they'd just received an e-mail with their instructions on how to configure their CC's with the S3, but he wasn't expecting consumer response quite that quickly ;) He also mentioned they were not deploying dual-stream cards, but may offer 2 CC's for a single CC charge in the S3. I'll believe that when I see it on my bil.

    Perry
     
  12. bdraw

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    Some of you are completely ignoring the fact that the chip set to record component HD is $800 by it self. An MPEG2 encoder for SD is cheap, the same is not true for HD.

    Even if it were economically feasible why would you want to degrade the picture by decoding it and re-encoding it, just so you could use your crappy cable STB?

    I do agree that there is a need for TiVo for Dish and DirecTV customers, but only they can make that happen. Don't blame TiVo for something that is beyond their control.
     
  13. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Huh? The S3 will not be MPEG2 encoding HD. Digital SD & HD are already MPEG2 transport streams and need no encoding. The only mpeg2 encoding will be for the analog channels.
     
  14. bdraw

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    That is my point, no HD MPEG2 encoder is needed since it uses CableCARD, if it recorded via component or HDMI it would need an HD MPEG2 encoder which would make it cost too much.
     
  15. Uncle Briggs

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    No. there's no reason for it to.
     
  16. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Ahh, gotcha. I misunderstood your post - sorry about that.
     

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