WMA Support for TiVo Desktop - Beta1

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by pzand, Jul 30, 2003.

  1. Sep 20, 2003 #61 of 171
    cheitzig

    cheitzig Tivo user since 2003 (or so)!

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    pzand: Nice software. Seems to work really well. Thanks. I'm a new (week old) TiVo owner.

    I have a feature suggestion for you though: do you (or TiVo themselves) have any plans to support .wpl playlists? It seems like one of the core reasons people would have to use the plug-in you wrote would be to continue to be able to use Windows Media Player as their media player. Not being able to read .wpl's though creates a challenge in keeping with WMP. Granted, I could export the .wpl's to asx format (or whatever format HMO support), but it'd be really nice to keep everything consistent.
     
  2. Sep 22, 2003 #62 of 171
    Takadamu

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    pzand, thanks for posting this. I didn't want to have to convert my entire collection to MP3s.

    I get frequent cases of the server crashing, though, requiring a restart. From your description, it sounds like this is a problem with making an estimate on track length before the track is converted?

    Is the length available in the WMA tag information? Or less elegantly, could a different utility precompute the converted length for each WMA file in a directory tree and store the info in a table?

    Are you sharing your source code along with your filter?

    Again, thanks for the software!
     
  3. Oct 8, 2003 #63 of 171
    icatar

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    Pzand,

    Tivo should get on their hands and knees and thank you! I'm sure they'll get many sales on HMO now that it has WMA capabilities! It has made my purchase of HMO extremely worthwhile now!

    Thanks!

    BTW, cheitzig, you can export the WMA playlists to M3U format and HMO can read them fine!
     
  4. Oct 22, 2003 #64 of 171
    Jem

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    I have just written a plug-in for the TiVo Desktop that recognizes .wpl playlists and allows navigation using the Windows Media Player library.

    This is the first version and so there may be bugs, but I would be interested to know how well it works with Pzand's wma plug-in.

    My plug-in doesn't do any format conversion. It just provides different navigation methods, so it's completely separate from the wma plug-in.

    See my recent thread in this forum entitled "Windows Media Player plug-in for TiVo Desktop" for more. (I can't post links yet due to anti-spamming trap.)
     
  5. Nov 8, 2003 #65 of 171
    markku

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    Thanks for a great plug-in pzand!

    Were you ever abe to find a way to get the great plug-in to work with DRM?

    I seem to have the same behavior that parkmad described earlier, i.e. files with DRM show 'continuous ' length, and don't play. After trying to play files with DRM, the non-DRM files also give a server error message. Exiting and re-starting the server gets the non-DRM files working ok again.

    BR|
    Markku
     
  6. Nov 9, 2003 #66 of 171
    mdunker

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    pzand,

    I can get a small .wma file to work. What I'm really interested in is getting a large recording of a 3 hour radio program to work (~ 20 meg). This never works for me. Is there any theoretical reason it shouldn't?

    Thanks for a great plug-in.
     
  7. Nov 9, 2003 #67 of 171
    morac

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    mdunker,

    The plugin works by converting the .wma file to a .mp3 file on the fly. The 20 meg file is probably too large to convert fast enough before the TiVo's request times out (around 30 seconds).

    You're better off either converting that wma file to a mp3 file or splitting it up into smaller files.
     
  8. Nov 10, 2003 #68 of 171
    Takadamu

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    Speaking of which, does anyone know of a good utility for converting WMAs to MP3s? Something that can be pointed at a directory tree and change all the files...
     
  9. Nov 10, 2003 #69 of 171
    WoodyL

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    dBpowerAMP does various kinds of conversions. It might do what you want.
     
  10. Nov 11, 2003 #70 of 171
    futerfas

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    Works like a charm, now I can listen to that "Like Humans Do" song on my tivo that came with Windows XP :D
     
  11. Dec 11, 2003 #71 of 171
    sma

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    Peter-

    This is great! I just got my first TiVo and signed up for the HMO. I had held off because of the lack of WMA support and this changed everything!

    Mostly it is working great, but I've noticed that after listening to a few tracks, I generally get a server error which requires me to shut down and restart the server/publisher app. From reading other messages on the board I gather that this is because I've got A LOT of WMAs and there are issues with predicting the length before conversion.

    I was wondering if there are any new developments related to stability or chances for addressing this in the future. Is this a common issue for others as well?

    I totally understand that you don't work for TiVo (and that you have a new baby- congratulations!), but just thought I'd ask since the tool is already so useful.

    Thanks again for your work
    Spencer
     
  12. Dec 11, 2003 #72 of 171
    pzand

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    I have a new baby??? Really?? Cool! I didn't know that... :p

    I actually haven't done much in development lately, but I do have a version of the WmaAudio.dll that seems to fix a few of the issues mentioned by Spencer and others. Mainly the locking up when jumping from track to track.

    I haven't made an installer for this DLL, but you can download it here if you want. Just backup the current version of this DLL (you'll probably find it in the c:\program files\tivo\desktop folder) and copy this new one in its place.

    Make sure TiVoServer and/or TiVoDesktop are not running while you do this.

    As usual, I've only tested this on my computer. It may or may not work on yours. If it breaks anything on your computer, you were warned!

    Good luck!

    Peter
     
  13. Dec 12, 2003 #73 of 171
    sma

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    :p That's very funny about the baby. I think I've been reading too many TiVo message boards lately and confused you with the author of the WMP plug-in. oops!

    Anyway, thanks a bunch for the new DLL. I just installed it (had trouble until I removed the old renamed/backed-up DLL from the directory) and will give it a try right away.

    Thanks again!
    Spencer
     
  14. Dec 12, 2003 #74 of 171
    sma

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    The new dll seems to have completely cleared up the problem. Not a hiccup since installation.

    Thanks, Peter!

    Spencer
     
  15. Dec 12, 2003 #75 of 171
    pzand

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    That's great!
     
  16. Dec 31, 2003 #76 of 171
    jeffweb

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    The tool works very well for me with the following problem...

    Some of the songs in my music library only play as "continuous play" and thus the Tivo cannot seek within the song. As far as I can tell all the songs on which this is happening are songs that are encoded at 64kbps. None of my songs encoded at 128kbps are exhibiting this problem. Any ideas on this problem?

    Actually, almost all 64kbps songs show the problem (Continuous Play), while none of the 128kbps songs do. I can't figure out what is special about some of the 64kbps songs that do work other than they seemed to be very short in length.

    Thanks much for the plugin! Any ideas on whats going on with the "Continuous Play" issue? I'm going to re-rip my music in 128kbps WMA anyway as I am not satisfied with the sound quality of 64kbps WMA.

    Thanks,
    Jeff
     
  17. Jan 16, 2004 #77 of 171
    Gai-jin

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    The one thing that is holding me back from (Re-)joining the digital audio revolution is support for one file type across the board.

    I want to use napster or itunes or such to buy my media, tivo and my pocket pc to play it, and still be able to burn it to CD to play in my Truck. Napster seems to be the better option at this moment, so long as I can get drm wma on tivo...

    Gai-jin
     
  18. Feb 4, 2004 #78 of 171
    cheitzig

    cheitzig Tivo user since 2003 (or so)!

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    Hey pzand--

    I've been using your plug-in for a couple of months now. Works great.

    Recently though, I've tried to "lock down" my home computer a bit-- mostly because I've added other computers to the network, and so have had to remove the firewall from the computer and rely on the hub's firewall.

    So, specifically, I removed Adminstrator rights from the user that runs TiVo Server. So when I don't have Administrator rights, I can't play wma's, but when I do, I can.

    Interesting. Is this a relic of the WMP libraries, or something that could be fixed? Not a huge problem, really, but I'm trying to be more security conscious...
     
  19. Feb 4, 2004 #79 of 171
    pzand

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    When logged in as this user, can you play WMA's through WMP?
     
  20. Feb 5, 2004 #80 of 171
    cheitzig

    cheitzig Tivo user since 2003 (or so)!

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    Yes.
     

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