WMA Support for TiVo Desktop - Beta1

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by pzand, Jul 30, 2003.

  1. Aug 2, 2003 #21 of 171
    Ledgehead

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    This plugin did not work on my Tivo. That's odd, because it seems to be working for several others. When I navigate the published folder structure to a folder that I know contains WMA files, the Tivo seems to pause for about 10 seconds or so and then gives me the following error:... Oh Damn. When I went back to repro the error for this posting, it worked for me.
     
  2. Aug 2, 2003 #22 of 171
    pzand

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    Hehehe... it's that always the case? :)

    It sounds like you had either the TiVoDesktop or the TiVoServer running while you did the install. Both have to be restarted for the plugin to get loaded. Hope it's stable now!
     
  3. Aug 2, 2003 #23 of 171
    VinceA

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    I've had some odd results in my testing. My TiVo will show the first screen full of folders from a published directory (it's a share from a SNAP server in my bedroom) but when I arrow down past there I get a whole lot of blank lines (which seem to represent the other directories). Real odd stuff...
     
  4. Aug 3, 2003 #24 of 171
    Ledgehead

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    I have also noticed the blank lines when scrolling through my music archives. But it's not just on folder...I have also seen it when I'm scrolling through many songs in one folder. If I pause and wait a few seconds then the names of the folders/songs are filled in. But this did not happen before installing the plugin. It's a small nuisance but worth the benefit of playing WMA's. I just don't see how the plugin can affect this. It should only affect the audio stream performance.

    Regards,
    Eric
     
  5. Aug 3, 2003 #25 of 171
    pzand

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    Would either of you be able uninstall the plugin and see if you can reproduce this behavior? I've seen the same thing happen on the program guide where TiVo just seems slow to pull things up.

    However, there is a chance that the plugin is asked to provide a title for a song where that song doesn't have "title" tag. That may result in a blank entry. The plugin is not involved, however, in providing the names of folders...

    Unrelated: Have any of you seen any weirdness at the *end* of a song?

    Peter
     
  6. Aug 3, 2003 #26 of 171
    Ledgehead

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    I have stopped the Tivo Desktop Publisher, uninstalled the WMA plugin and restarted the publisher. I then repro'd the problem on folders only. So it appears that although I haven't seen this before....it's a performance problem with the Tivo Desktop Publisher, not the plugin.

    While doing this repro, I even had a couple of timeout errors. There seems to be an intermittent problem with latency between the Tivo and the Publisher.

    Now that I know it's not the Plugin, I'll reinstall it....gotta have my WMA's.

    I'm employed by Microsoft....it's an employee loyalty thing and a disk space thing!

    :)

    Cheers,
    Eric
     
  7. Aug 3, 2003 #27 of 171
    pzand

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    Eric,

    Thank you for figuring this out. Makes me happy that this also happens without my plugin loaded.... well... sort of... you know what I mean :)

    Peter
     
  8. Aug 3, 2003 #28 of 171
    pzand

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    If TiVoBill is still listening in...

    I can't seem to find any contact information in the Desktop Plug-in SDK and I believe I have found an omission that is sorely needed by some plugins.

    Who do I talk to?

    Thanks,

    Peter
     
  9. Aug 4, 2003 #29 of 171
    Parkmad

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    I tried it but I get an error. The music can be published to the server and I can see all the songs through the Tivo. However, when I push play, that's when I get an error about a problem with the server.
    Should I try to reinstall?
    I will also try some different files. I was trying songs that I downloaded off of buymusic.com (so far not a worthwhile experience) and maybe the security on the songs is affecting my ability to play on Tivo.
     
  10. Aug 4, 2003 #30 of 171
    pzand

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    Parkmad,

    Sorry to hear that... I think you're on the right track, though. I never even thought about it, but I don't think the plugin works on files with DRM. I gotta try that :)

    Thanks!

    Peter
     
  11. Aug 4, 2003 #31 of 171
    Parkmad

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    Well, it's not that, at least not yet. I cannot play other WMA files either. How do I unistall the plug-in? I would like to try again.
     
  12. Aug 4, 2003 #32 of 171
    pzand

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    It's in the control panel, under "Add/Remove Programs".
     
  13. Aug 4, 2003 #33 of 171
    motardo

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    This is a very nice hack, granted I don't have any WMA files, but if you are making an installer, go for the Nullsoft Installer System, it'll provide you with a REAL small footprint for the installer, making the install probably about 200K
     
  14. Aug 4, 2003 #34 of 171
    pzand

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    The installer is a drag and drop toy in Visual Studio that I hadn't used before. Of course, it was quick to remind me of my dislike for drag and drop development; it's large, has gobs of code that you don't need, you have very limited control over what happens and NO control over HOW it happens. Looks like the Nullsoft guys figured out how to do it right. I have some investigating to do :)

    Thanks motardo!
     
  15. Aug 5, 2003 #35 of 171
    yenne

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    Got HMO working late last night, installed your WMA plug-in, and everything worked first time on my Series2.

    I can't thank you enough for putting your time into writing this plug-in! I had resigned myself to blowing $40 on a different media server, not to mention the time needed to learn how to use it.

    I've written a good bit of free software in my time, so I appreciate the effort that goes into it. Might I offer you some free website hosting in return for your graciousness? I have a couple of personal servers at RackShack with more than enough room.

    Let me know, and thanks again!

    -britt (tivo@yenne.net)
     
  16. Aug 5, 2003 #36 of 171
    Patrickcg

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    Thank you so much kind sir. You have saved me many hours of changing my WMAs to MP3. I got the free trial today and installed your plug in and it works fine. It threw me off a moment, since it has a bit of a delay before it starts playing, but it worked!

    Thanks again.
     
  17. Aug 5, 2003 #37 of 171
    jimpfnj

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    I have the same problem. Interesting, it worked on the first couple of songs I played, but then started getting this message. I have a lot of WMAs (from 400+ CDs). Maybe if I publish a smaller set.

    jim
     
  18. Aug 5, 2003 #38 of 171
    yenne

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    My wife encountered that error message about the server. I stopped and restarted the Tivo server on the PC and the problem was resolved. Something got wedged, and it's not clear whether it's the Tivo server or the WMA plug-in.

    We're happily listening to WMAs again.

    -britt
     
  19. Aug 5, 2003 #39 of 171
    pzand

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    Jim,
    I've seen the same thing happen, and I believe it's caused by a requirement of the Tivo Server. Somehow, Tivo Server wants to know in advance how big the MP3 is going to be, and the plugin can't do anything but guess since it hasn't done the conversion from WMA to MP3 yet at that point. It seems that if the guess is too far off, you get this error and it (Tivo Server) won't recover without stopping and restarting. I can't reproduce it on any specific file, though.... Can you?

    Yenne and Patrickcg: thank's for your kind words. I've taken so much from these forums, it's nice to contribute for once.

    Peter
     
  20. Aug 6, 2003 #40 of 171
    TiVo'dInSeattle

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    Peter,

    Thanks SO much for the WMA plug-in. It works wonderfully.

    However, I have noticed that not all the controls work with my WMA files. Specifically, while I can navigate between songs with Chan Up/Dn just like with my MP3s, I cannot navigate within a song using the FF/RW buttons like I can with my MP3s. Is this due to on-the-fly conversion?
     

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